[Bobboau]

there was a reason I didn't include that part in my quote, but for all we know that scene is from some sort of mind **** hallucination.

[BlueFlames]

On an almost totally unrelated note, what did you think of Nintendo naming their current console "Wii"?

[Bobboau]

that is rather unrelated...

[The E]

It is, in fact, completely unrelated.

[Flipside]

why is the digital Flynn clone the only character with this horrible effect applied, if it's something meant to be indicative of all artificial programs?  You're really, really reaching.

because he is the big bad and you want him to have a creepy un-natural vibe.

Again, then, why is warm, daddy Flynn given the disturbing, unnatural vibe, when he's telling his son a bedtime story that's presumably not meant to give the kid night-terrors?

It's either an unfinished effect or a half-assed effect.

Though, of course, we are assuming that 'Daddy Flynn' was 'real Flynn', after all, no-one said the digitizer only worked in one direction, in fact, the whole point of it is that it doesn't....

[BlueFlames]

It is, in fact, completely unrelated.

Not completely.  I was just trying to determine if Bobboau (and ngt-m1r) makes a habit of dislocating his shoulders reaching for rationalizations to defend sloppy work and bad decisions on the part of people and businesses who really don't need defending.

In its current form, the de-aging of Jeff Bridges is one of the two.  Seriously, in this special effects extravaganza, wherein the whole look and feel of Tron is being updated for 2010, there's no need for an effect to look like it was made in 1982.  If this was a conscious decision by the effects team or producers, then defending it is as irrational as Nintendo fanboys defending the "Wii" name, back when that was announced.  Hell, defending it is as irrational as my continuing to play retail FS2, when FSO is a readily available and clearly superior alternative.

Moreover, I just don't buy the excuses offered up.  If it was just program-Flynn who had this effect applied, and it was applied to all other programs, I might have bought into it.  Neither of those is the case, though.  The effect is applied to de-age Flynn in both flashbacks to the real world and events occurring in the game, and it's applied to nobody else.  The only possible reason for this is that it's a crappy or unfinished effect.  Stretch your arms to the moon, if you want; you're not going to find anything to rationalize it.

The movie still looks like it's worth seeing.  When I see a bad effect in an effects-based movie, though, it plants a seed of doubt, because if the effects are the priority, and something that bad slips through, it doesn't bode well for the other aspects of the movie.  I'm hopeful that it will be a good film, and I'm expecting that it will be a good film.  Hell, I even suspect that the one criticism I've had so far will be addressed by the time the film is released.  I'm just acknowledging that little seed of doubt, so that it doesn't grow into the cancer that consumes a fanboy's mind, when the rhetoric they feel obliged to produce so clearly doesn't mesh with the reality in which they live.

Anyway, I'm already repeating myself, so I think I'm going to bow out, at least until the next trailer rolls around.  Hopefully Jeff Bridges will find a good chiropractor to get his head more firmly affixed to his neck in that one. 

[Flipside]

It also doesn't help if you are old enough to remember the original Tron when it came out.

I think part of the problem is that, when he was younger, Bridges had an almost 'cheeky' look to him, like he didn't quite take life seriously, age introduces a level of cynicism that just doesn't look 'right' on a younger face.

[NGTM-1R]

Not completely.

Yes, completely, you're trying to equate totally unrelated things. And for the record I didn't really care about the Wii name, thus proving the point they're totally unrelated.

[jr2]

He was drawing a parallel.

[Flipside]

Sorry to Necrothread, but since this thread existed it seemed better than starting a new one.

I actually saw this a few months ago and forgot to post my thoughts in here. I'll do them in spoilers in case people haven't seen it yet.

All in, I enjoyed the film, but it did have problems :

Spoiler:

In the original, you were kept 'connected' to the fact this took place inside a computer with characters like Sark and Tron, who had real-world counterparts. Programs (except ISOs) take on the features of the people who wrote them, that was one of the defining factors of Tron. This concept seemed missing in Legacy, the world should have had a lot more 'Flynn lookalikes' if this was a system written by him. All in all, I found it difficult at times to remember that this was supposed to be a computer system, and not just some kind of wierd future-city.

My second main complaint was the fact that, whilst I haven't played Tron:Evolution, I've read the story of it, and I can't help thinking, if you subtracted the story of Evolution from Legacy, what, exactly, would be left? Very little as far as I can tell (in fact, the whole Clu betrayal scene started life as a cutscene in Evolution)

Finally, the corruption of Tron. Why did they do that? It was probably the worst idea of the film next to the fact he returned at just the right dramatic moment for no real reason whatsoever, I suppose you could assume that being asked to kill users was so inherently against his program that it re-asserted itself, but no real explanation is given. It would at least have worked if the final face off at the portal had, at it's climax, seen Tron walk through the door and kick Clu's arse, that would have been more dramatically satisfying for me at least.

All in all it was a good movie, but the programs were too 'human' in their nature at times, and the other problems above meant that, at least for me, it wasn't a great one.