[Goober5000]

What are the differences between an installation of FreeSpace 2 from Good Old Games and one from CD?  Search hasn't proven useful here.

I think there are some files included in folders called data2 and data3, but I don't know which files, and I don't know whether that's the only difference.

[Cyborg17]

I think I remember reading that one of the retail Vps is installed three times.  I think it's the one for the movies.  Other than that, I don't know of any differences.

[jg18]

Here's a complete listing of the contents of a fresh GOG install. Hopefully someone with a CD install can compare it to this. FWIW, the command I used to make this was

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for i in `find . -type f`; do FILE=`echo $i | cut -d '/' -f 2-`; SIZE=`echo $i | xargs ls -lh | cut -d ' ' -f 9-10 | sed 's/ Jun//g'`; echo "$FILE        $SIZE"; done  > ~/Desktop/fs2_gog_listing.txt(My Unix fu is decent but could use some work.)

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Hope this helps.

[Yarn]

I posted the file listing of the CD version here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80667.msg1604499#msg1604499. The post below that is my explanation of the data2 and data3 folders, in case you're interested in that. As for files that are in both releases, only the .exe and readme.txt files are different.

[KyadCK]

Pretty sure the GoG version has the 1.20 patch installed already.

[jg18]

I posted the file listing of the CD version here: http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php?topic=80667.msg1604499#msg1604499. The post below that is my explanation of the data2 and data3 folders, in case you're interested in that. As for files that are in both releases, only the .exe and readme.txt files are different.

Interesting stuff in those posts, Yarn, and they explain a bunch of things I didn't know. Thanks for sharing!

Pretty sure the GoG version has the 1.20 patch installed already.

Yeah, the Root_fs2.vp files from GOG and the 1.20 patch have the same SHA-1 hash and pass a diff comparison besides.

EDIT: Although in case it means anything, the other files from the patch (FRED2.exe, FS2.exe, FreeSpace2.exe) don't match the ones in the GOG installation, so either they're from 1.0 or they've been changed by GOG somehow.

[Jeff Vader]

EDIT: Although in case it means anything, the other files from the patch (FRED2.exe, FS2.exe, FreeSpace2.exe) don't match the ones in the GOG installation, so either they're from 1.0 or they've been changed by GOG somehow.

Probably some fiddling so the game won't nag about the game disc not being in the optical drive.

[jr2]

How about someone do a CD install, run jg18's code, then patch to 1.20, and run it again?, and post both?  Or is all the necessary information already gathered here?  I have the .isos around somewhere. 

[Goober5000]

All the necessary information was already gathered.  Jg18's and Yarn's posts were extremely helpful.  Thanks.

Unfortunately, it adds an additional complication.  I had thought that GOG was simply mistaken in putting the files in the data2 and data3 folders, but it sounds as if the GOG EXE does in fact play them.  So I will need someone to run an experiment.  Will GOG play the campaign cutscenes if they are in the data\movies folder but not in data2 or data3?

The reason I'm asking all this is because I want to add a feature to the installer that will "clean up" a GOG installation so that GOG and FSO will both play nicely with the same data.  It sounds like deleting the VP files from data2 and data3 would be benign, according to Yarn's post in the other thread.  So I want to find out whether moving the cutscenes would also be benign.

[Yarn]

Will GOG play the campaign cutscenes if they are in the data\movies folder but not in data2 or data3?

No, the GOG version doesn't play the cutscenes unless they're in data2 and data3.

Although in case it means anything, the other files from the patch (FRED2.exe, FS2.exe, FreeSpace2.exe) don't match the ones in the GOG installation, so either they're from 1.0 or they've been changed by GOG somehow.

I can tell you that FreeSpace2.exe (the launcher) has fewer buttons in the GOG version. As for the others, I can only speculate beyond what Jeff Vader said.

[Goober5000]

No, the GOG version doesn't play the cutscenes unless they're in data2 and data3.

Have you specifically tried moving them to data/movies?

[Yarn]

No, the GOG version doesn't play the cutscenes unless they're in data2 and data3.

Have you specifically tried moving them to data/movies?

Yes, I have. The cutscenes do not play at all unless they are in the data2 and data3 folders. As I said in my post about those folders, no version of retail FS2 appears to look for the cutscenes on the hard drive--the game expects them to be on the CDs.

[pecenipicek]

All the necessary information was already gathered.  Jg18's and Yarn's posts were extremely helpful.  Thanks.

Unfortunately, it adds an additional complication.  I had thought that GOG was simply mistaken in putting the files in the data2 and data3 folders, but it sounds as if the GOG EXE does in fact play them.  So I will need someone to run an experiment.  Will GOG play the campaign cutscenes if they are in the data\movies folder but not in data2 or data3?

The reason I'm asking all this is because I want to add a feature to the installer that will "clean up" a GOG installation so that GOG and FSO will both play nicely with the same data.  It sounds like deleting the VP files from data2 and data3 would be benign, according to Yarn's post in the other thread.  So I want to find out whether moving the cutscenes would also be benign.

why not just fire off an email to GoG and actually ask them if they did anything?

[jg18]

All the necessary information was already gathered.  Jg18's and Yarn's posts were extremely helpful.  Thanks.

Unfortunately, it adds an additional complication.  I had thought that GOG was simply mistaken in putting the files in the data2 and data3 folders, but it sounds as if the GOG EXE does in fact play them.  So I will need someone to run an experiment.  Will GOG play the campaign cutscenes if they are in the data\movies folder but not in data2 or data3?

The reason I'm asking all this is because I want to add a feature to the installer that will "clean up" a GOG installation so that GOG and FSO will both play nicely with the same data.  It sounds like deleting the VP files from data2 and data3 would be benign, according to Yarn's post in the other thread.  So I want to find out whether moving the cutscenes would also be benign.

why not just fire off an email to GoG and actually ask them if they did anything?

Other question: Why maintain compatibility with GOG? I was under the impression that the GOG version of FS2 doesn't actually work all that well on modern Windows systems, but I can't find a reference for this at the moment.

[Goober5000]

It's not about maintaining compatibility with GOG so much as it is making sure FSO will work nicely on a GOG installation.

Anyway, this has been helpful.   I'll use this information to improve the installer.

[Mongoose]

Other question: Why maintain compatibility with GOG? I was under the impression that the GOG version of FS2 doesn't actually work all that well on modern Windows systems, but I can't find a reference for this at the moment.

The main point of GOG.com's classic releases is that they do work well on modern systems, so I can't see why FS would be an exception.

[jg18]

Other question: Why maintain compatibility with GOG? I was under the impression that the GOG version of FS2 doesn't actually work all that well on modern Windows systems, but I can't find a reference for this at the moment.

The main point of GOG.com's classic releases is that they do work well on modern systems, so I can't see why FS would be an exception.

I vaguely remember seeing threads in the support forum in which people said that the GOG version of FS2 doesn't work all that well on Windows 7 x64, but I couldn't find any such threads when I went looking (although I didn't look that hard). GOG's official FS2 page says that it's compatible with Windows XP and Vista but doesn't mention Windows 7. I wouldn't really know, though, to be honest, since I haven't been a regular Windows user in quite some time.