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Offline ShadowWolf_IH

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
Actually if you were to do it, gritty would be the way to go.  The characters would start out kind of fun, arrogant.  We are at war with the Vasudans, an equal oponent.  In waltz the Shivans...and we can't compete.  The first statement on humanity that we can explore is racism.  Main characters on both sides.  Fall of Vasuda Prime would leave some things that we can do with both races.  The Vasudans...this is obvious.  Underlying is simple, if this can happen to our equals in military might, it can happen to us.  Things get real dark real quick. 
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Offline Legate Damar

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
Don't change the ships, they are part of what makes Freespace Freespace

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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I think one thing Battuta touched on that I have to disagree with is the whole thing about innovation. Innovation has been prized (perhaps too much) by Western artistic thought in the last 200 years or so, but that's only a rather small part of what makes an artistic work good. A well-executed iteration will beat a mediocre innovation. Consider the "Old Masters" of European painting--these artists, from around 1350 to 1700, produced some of the most beautiful and well-regarded artworks in human history. They also were openly and unapologetically derivative--hundreds of pietas, madonnas, and other stereotyped forms, in roughly the same styles, year after year with innovation happening very slowly over the course of generations. There were fewer original ideas in those 350 years than from 1850 to 1900 alone, and nobody cared.

That said, creating a successful FreeSpace series would require you to end up with a rather different thing than what you started with, due to the nature of the two media (and a serialized TV show is itself an altogether different beast from film--blow up a TV episode to feature length and the result is an abomination like Star Trek: Generations). I would say the Terran-Vasudan war would be an easier setting to work with than the two Shivan wars--the Shivans are more like a force of nature than an enemy military, which severely limits their storytelling potential as antagonists. Vasudans, on the other hand, are people humans can understand, and a lot of "meanwhile on the PVD Whatever" stories and meaningful interactions with humans are possible.

The Talania system is a huge blank in the FreeSpace continuity. We know that it existed, there was a decisive battle there, and the system is no longer accessible. That would be my obvious pick for a setting, due to the massive unexplored potential (also, because of the stalemate nature and extreme length of the war, it is likely that decisive engagements were very rare so a broad overview of the whole war would likely be rather dull).
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Offline ShivanSpS

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Freespace is not enoght to make a TV Series, its missing a lot of things, so it need to invent a lot. Mass Effect is a good game for TV Series for example, but they are making a movie out of it :(

FS maybe good for an action movie, maybe even a trilogy.

 

Offline HAZARDLEADER

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
Best way to fix that (in my opinion) call in the  :v: guys  ;)
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Offline HAZARDLEADER

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
Sorry for replying do a topic that has not been posted on in a while, but I see the dilemma here,  ShivanSpS is right, its missing A-LOT of things. Plus a show that does nothing but fighter battles will not do so well. So I was thinking that maybe a battle episode every 2 episodes, or 15 minutes of battle every episode, and the rest being crew interaction???
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Offline The E

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
*sigh*

Let me just remind you that posting in an old topic is a big nono, ESPECIALLY when you add nothing of substance to the discussion. Indicating your agreement and rehashing earlier posts is very definitely without substance.

Also, why in the **** would you necro a thread where you yourself had the last post, when you have nothing new to say?

Actually, I apologize. You did have something new to say.

Unfortunately, your comment is rubbish. It shows that you know nothing of proper TV writing, or season plotting, and that you haven't actually bothered to read any of the replies in this thread safe for the last few. Please try again, this time taking care to address these points:
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I think it's time for you to show your cards. What are the themes inherent in FS that can be translated into a TV series from your perspective? What can be done in the FS universe in terms of narrative that cannot be explored in other, more TV-friendly settings? Who would this series follow?

In other words, please show us that you have put more thought into this topic than "FS is cool, and TV is cool, so FS on TV must be cool too".
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Offline HAZARDLEADER

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What are the themes inherent in FS that can be translated into a TV series from your perspective?

A very dark and epic setting. (like bsg) The Terrans having to deal with an old enemy to survive the attack of another, also having to put aside things like extreme racism and hatred to work together.
Having to deal with an enemy that is not driven by the lust for our riches, territory of resources, but by punishment for the crimes humanity have committed. 

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What can be done in the FS universe in terms of narrative that cannot be explored in other, more TV-friendly settings?

By narrative do you mean tv show? Never mind, movies may show hours of content at a time, but in my opinion a TV show tells it better due to being able to make fifty or more, forty minute episodes for three or so seasons.  In other words it fits better in a tv show because your not having to cram the story that spans out forty or so missions (or episodes) into a one and a half hour movie. (Unless its silent threat, thats probably possible to put into a movie)
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Who would this series follow?
Alpha one (With a name!) he would switch secondary characters say when he switches capital ships, or switches fighter squads. But following main characters is so overused, think creatively... We could tell the story in a Battle 360 style show. (Mentioned earlier by ShadowWolf_IH) But that might cause it to lose some of its epicness... How cool (or how stupid) would it be to change the main character every season? Then you get an interesting take from say a few pilots, maybe even an admiral or command itself? It could be any one of those, but I always imagined it as following a Alpha 1 as a main character.


All in all it would be a hard show to produce, but its possible. I don't know if it would suck or not; there really is no way of knowing until its actually done, if its ever done.
I hope this answers your questions, and I hope its not..."rubbish"
  :doubt:

Anyway my opinion is not relevant, its everyone else's that counts.  :nod:
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Offline The E

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
So you basically misunderstood every single one of those questions. Good job.

To clarify: "A dark setting" is not a theme. BSG was about the question "Do we deserve to survive?", DS9 was about "What happens when utopia is threatened?". What is FreeSpace about? Man vs Environment, probably. Which is a theme that does not need FS in order to be explored.

The question about the narrative was intended to ask you which kind of story a TV show set in the FS universe was uniquely qualified to tell. For example, BSG could explore how governments are formed, how government can work under very extreme circumstances, and how normal people deal with extreme circumstances and the day-to-day fear of getting extinct.

"Who would this series follow" was not intended to ask you who the main character would be. It was intended to get you to think about the general formula of the show. Your answer indicates a deep misunderstanding of how a good TV narrative is constructed; while you can definitely tell a story using a plethora of wildly different viewpoints (Game of Thrones does that rather well), it is generally a bad idea to not have a continuity there.

You are also thinking already about how multiple seasons could work. That's just stupid. You haven't even shown that you have good ideas how to do a miniseries, let alone a single season, and you already want to do several?



In closing, let me ask you something. Have you, or have you not, thought about this longer than necessary to come up with the "TV is cool, FS is cool, TV + FS = cool" thing? Have you read the thread, and the various arguments presented herein?
If you want this thing so badly, here's a task for you. Write a treatment for this show. A document detailing your plans on how to construct a serialized TV show based in the FS universe. Write a little plot outline, making sure to identify the plotpoints and dilemmas the characters face that the FS universe is uniquely suited to portrait.
And then, once you've done that, come up with an argument why this has to be a TV series, as opposed to a custom campaign.
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Offline Mikes

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
Let's turn game X into a movie/show, because the game was uh "cool", ... yeah that always worked so well in the past.

Wing Commander wants to have a word with you ;)

 

Offline HAZARDLEADER

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Re: What if??? (Freepace tv show)
@ The E   
Damn it, I always took things on a little to literally.  :banghead:
As for the word noob which I ****ing am, Im the only one who can change that, and I am determined to fix that.
And about the story writing, I barely have fundamental understanding of it, and I was not planning an episode or a few seasons, I was just posting some ideas of how it could be.
So the only way to get better at story writing, is to go to a writers class and or make and release a few campaigns and see how the story flies with people. Which I am going to do both.
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@ Mikes
Yes I have given Freespace more thought, than that "TV is cool, FS is cool, TV+FS=cool statement, and I know for a fact that it does not work that way, and theres a lot more to it.

P.s. That wing commander movie suuuuuucked.
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Offline Legate Damar

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I don't think anyone here actually expects our ideas to become an actual TV show, so what's the harm in simply making up ideas for fun even if they wouldn't pass the muster for a real TV show?

 

Offline swamper123

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I think I would be nice to first do some promotion to Freespace, i have seen only one review of the vanilla version in Youtube, I would be nice to have more reviews of this, featuring a comparison of the vainilla and SCP, I know one nice youtube channel CGR (Classic Game Room), its only and idea, though
Let's play Blue Planet

  

Offline Unknown Target

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I would say Freespace's theme is being trapped in circumstances you can't control.