[Luis Dias]

Well I am not one of trusting other people's intelligence to make that distinction for me. Especially not after said people shouts so much misanthropy against humanity's lack of intelligence and so on. It would be an amazing contradiction.

[redsniper]

I'm saying you shouldn't equate waste with redundancy. If you're using extra resources to ensure safety or prevent future problems, that's wise. Using extra resources just because you're inefficient or greedy or something is dumb. You can of course decide for yourself where to draw the line between what's useful and what's wasteful, but they aren't the same thing.

[Luis Dias]

Yeah, but that's not what was on the table, which was a general assessment of the overall globe's systems wasting resources and spending so much time with trivialities and so on. Who are you or anyone else to judge the "wastiness" of this system, when said waste is so correlated with creativity, boldness, etc.? Why are people so judgemental of risky behaviors if that same behavior is what has provided us all with the benefits of the modern world which surrounds us in the first place?

There's this overall sense over the globe that the humanity is a wasteful pit of pollution, dread and horror with nano sparkles of insight and beauty. As if it has been proven that we can have the latter without the former at all, or as if they aren't the product of the same processes in motion.

[redsniper]

Fine, nm.

[NGTM-1R]

Why are people so judgemental of risky behaviors if that same behavior is what has provided us all with the benefits of the modern world which surrounds us in the first place?

You realize that this sentence is composed of two non-supporting ideas, yes?

[Luis Dias]

Enlighten me on my fallacy.

[Ghostavo]

I hate people who hate other people.

[NGTM-1R]

Enlighten me on my fallacy.

You have not established any causal link between the existence of the modern world and the encouraging of risky behaviors; nor, I suspect, can you.

[Luis Dias]

I do not need to establish self-evident truths.

Here's to the crazy ones.

[NGTM-1R]

I do not need to establish self-evident truths.

Ah, I see.

You're going to go that route rather than attempt to go any sane one; reject any concept of gradual progress and claim all progress is revolutionary.

If that is your argument, you have nothing to contribute to this discussion at all, and it would behoove you to exit it.

[Luis Dias]

NG, I see your escalating humour is kicking in. No, I do not need to prove what is obviously true, and if you disagree with me, so be it, it's not the end of the world. I also did not say that the world improved "revolutionary" instead of "gradually", there's a strawman waiting for good ol' behooveness right there.

[Aardwolf]

I'ma side with NGTM-1R on this one: it's not "obviously true" that all the good stuff we have in our modern society are the result of past "risky behaviors".

[MP-Ryan]

I do not need to establish self-evident truths.

No truth is ever self-evident.