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Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
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From http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/09/20/jurors-reach-verdict-in-ohio-amish-hair-attacks/

CLEVELAND –  Sixteen Amish men and women were convicted Thursday of hate crimes for a series of hair- and beard- cutting attacks on fellow sect members in a religious dispute that offered a rare and sometimes lurid glimpse into the closed and usually self-regulating community of believers.

A federal jury found 66-year-old Samuel Mullet, the leader of the breakaway group, guilty of orchestrating the cuttings last fall in an attempt to shame mainstream members of his community who he believed were straying from their beliefs. His followers were found guilty of carrying out the attacks, which terrorized the normally peaceful religious settlement that aims to live simply and piously.

Prosecutors and witnesses described how sons pulled their father out of bed and chopped off his beard in the moonlight and how women surrounded their mother-in-law and cut off two feet of her hair, taking it down to the scalp in some places.

The defendants face prison terms of 10 years or more. Prosecutors say they targeted hair because it carries spiritual significance in their faith.

All the defendants are members of Mullet's settlement that he founded in eastern Ohio near the West Virginia panhandle. The Amish eschew many conveniences of modern life, including electrical appliances and automobiles, and embrace their centuries-old roots.

Federal officials said the verdicts would send a message about religious intolerance.
"The victims in this case are members of a peaceful and traditional religion who simply wanted to be left to practice their religion in peace," U.S. Attorney Steven Dettelbach said. "Unfortunately, the defendants denied them this basic right and they did so in the most violent way."

Members of the Amish community who sat through the trial hurried into a hired van without commenting, some covering their faces.
Defense attorneys said the defendants were bewildered by the verdicts and said likely appeals would be based on a challenge to the hate crimes law.
"They really don't understand the court system the way the rest of us have, being educated and reading newspapers," said Joseph Dubyak, whose client, Linda Schrock, has 10 children with her husband, who was also convicted.

Rhonda Kotnik, representing Kathryn Miller, said the verdicts would destroy Mullet's community of about 25 families. The defendants, including six couples, have a total of about 50 children, she said.
"The community is going to be ripped apart. I don't know what's going to happen to all their children," she said.

The suspects had argued that the Amish are bound by different rules guided by their religion and that the government had no place getting involved in what amounted to a family or church dispute.

Mullet wasn't accused of cutting anyone's hair. But prosecutors said he planned and encouraged his sons and the others, mocked the victims in jailhouse phone calls and was given a paper bag stuffed with the hair of one victim.

One bishop told jurors his chest-length beard was chopped to within 1 1/2 inches of his chin when four or five men dragged him out of his farmhouse in a late-night home invasion.
Prosecutors told jurors that Mullet thought he was above the law and free to discipline those who went against him based on his religious beliefs. Before his arrest last November, he defended what he believes is his right to punish people who break church laws.
"You have your laws on the road and the town -- if somebody doesn't obey them, you punish them. But I'm not allowed to punish the church people?" Mullet told The Associated Press last October.

The hair cuttings, he said, were a response to continuous criticism he'd received from other Amish religious leaders about him being too strict, including shunning people in his own group.

Defense attorneys acknowledged that the hair cuttings took place and that crimes were committed but contend that prosecutors were overreaching by calling them hate crimes.
Witnesses testified that Mullet had complete control over the settlement that he founded two decades ago and described how his religious teachings and methods of punishments deviated from Amish traditions.

One woman testified that Mullet coerced women at his settlement into having sex with him, and others said he encouraged men to sleep in chicken coops as punishment.

Mullet's attorney, Ed Bryan, maintained that the government had not shown that Mullet was at the center of the attacks. The defendants who cut the hair and beards acted on their own and were inspired by one another, not their bishop, Bryan said.

In one of the attacks, an Amish woman testified that her own sons and a daughter who lived in Mullet's community cut her hair and her husband's beard in a surprise assault.
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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
I'm trying to form an appropriate response but it being overridden by the childish need to post Weird Al lyrics and the fact that the main perp is named Mullet and he's conducting amongst much more serious offenses, hair crime.

This is a serious issue, my apologies.
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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
Yeah, I thought it was mildly interesting, as the Amish are usually peaceful, quiet, and very civilized.  Apparently even they are not immune to wolves wearing sheepskin, though (well, we all know that, but it's disturbing to see it proven).

 

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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
No culture is immune, really. Idiots and fanatics pop up everywhere. Hopefully, it'll serve as a lesson that religion is not above the law (it's a shame fanatics don't learn, though).

 

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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
Not just idiots... this type is a bit more insidious, I'd say the category more closely matches "abuser"...

 

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Oddly enough, clashes within the same religion can often be a lot more vicious than clashes between different ones. Europe spent decades in bloody internecine conflict over their 'flavour' of Christianity.

 

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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
Resulted (for a while) in Que es regio, Es religio

Or something like that.   (whose the region, theirs the religion)...

... it's so stupid when people try to use brute force to change people's beliefs.  That's not the correct way about it.  You might get a lot of 'converts', but without brainwashing or convincing arguments, they aren't real.  :rolleyes:

 

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This is, sadly, what happens when personal desires get confused with religious requirements. It's amazing how people can twist 'Love thy Neighbour' to the point where it reads 'Stab him in the face! THE FACE!!!!!'

 

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Re: Amish religious leader starts cult; arrested with some members for assault
That would be because they want so badly to stab them in the face, that they search to find something to justify it.  And, well, let's see, since they are already far astray of where they need to be (love your neighbor), they find it.  Which would be a reason why Jesus said that if you harbor hatred for someone in your heart, you've basically already committed murder in your heart. (1 John 3:15) That was hardly a new concept, however, Leviticus 19:17 mentions basically the same thing.

 

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Exactly, if someone desires something hard enough, then they WILL find a reason to justify it. From the point they mentioned 'sexual counseling for married women' it became apparent that someone was trying to use their position and their religion for personal gratification.

My personal favourite is James 1:26:

'If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. '

 

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Heh, yeah... that coupled with Luke 6:43-45:


“No good tree bears bad fruit, nor does a bad tree bear good fruit. Each tree is recognized by its own fruit. People do not pick figs from thornbushes, or grapes from briers. A good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and an evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For the mouth speaks what the heart is full of.

and James 3:9-12 (bold text)


Not many of you should become teachers, my fellow believers, because you know that we who teach will be judged more strictly.  We all stumble in many ways. Anyone who is never at fault in what they say is perfect, able to keep their whole body in check.

When we put bits into the mouths of horses to make them obey us, we can turn the whole animal. Or take ships as an example. Although they are so large and are driven by strong winds, they are steered by a very small rudder wherever the pilot wants to go. Likewise, the tongue is a small part of the body, but it makes great boasts. Consider what a great forest is set on fire by a small spark. The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole body, sets the whole course of one’s life on fire, and is itself set on fire by hell.

All kinds of animals, birds, reptiles and sea creatures are being tamed and have been tamed by mankind, but no human being can tame the tongue. It is a restless evil, full of deadly poison.

With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God’s likeness. Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.

Who is wise and understanding among you? Let them show it by their good life, by deeds done in the humility that comes from wisdom. But if you harbor bitter envy and selfish ambition in your hearts, do not boast about it or deny the truth. Such “wisdom” does not come down from heaven but is earthly, unspiritual, demonic. For where you have envy and selfish ambition, there you find disorder and every evil practice.

But the wisdom that comes from heaven is first of all pure; then peace-loving, considerate, submissive, full of mercy and good fruit, impartial and sincere. Peacemakers who sow in peace reap a harvest of righteousness.


And then to hear preachers / teachers who say they are speaking for God use the people that they are responsible for (elsewhere it says that they are responsible for those in their care), and foment hatred... :eek:

I know the we should 'speak the truth in love'... but let's not forget that love is defined as: (bold text)



If I speak in the tongues (Or languages) of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, some manuscripts body to the flames but do not have love, I gain nothing.

Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Love never fails.
But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part, but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
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I'm not someone who would define himself as religious, but I do however consider that certain parts of the Bible are truly great observations on the human condition, and provide views that are far from harmful or non-applicable even in this day and age.

The Bible didn't give me religion, despite reading it for years, but it did give me some really good guidelines that I have followed my whole life, whether consciously or not. Of course, there are parts of the Bible that are far less 'compatible' with my worldview, though they largely tend to be in the Old Testament, and often what made them incompatible was what I had been taught in the New Testament.

I'm always reminded of a comment by Ghandi, "I like your Christ, he is a good man, but I do not like your Christians, they are nothing like your Christ.", and whilst it's certainly true that the Mohandas had not met every Christian there was, I do think he touched on one of the core issues facing the Faith in many areas.

I could never bring myself to worship Christ, but I will say this, I do have a lot of respect for much of his teaching and worldview.

 

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Pity Paul came along afterwards and ****ed them all up then. :p

Not that Jesus wasn't occasionally guilty of the most shocking racism himself. :p
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Well, the Bible can be self-contradictory at times, and often promoted views that are unacceptable, but I've always imagined that Christ himself didn't intend for the New Testament to be a 'dead' document, I think that was more of a product of Christianity than Christ.

It's like most things really, success requires thought as well as faith.

Edit : Though, if we are going to get into Mitchell and Webb Bible scenes, my personal favourite is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuMfEAp31HE&NR=1&feature=endscreen
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