[Aesaar]

And yes, salvation through Jesus can make someone straight. Look it up.

I have no words.  What the **** is wrong with you?

About the woman sleeping with the man, Jesus forgave the woman who was caught committing adultery even though the law said she must be stoned. We must always consult God before making decisions especially before stoning somebody. He knows everything. Back then, cities were tiny with tiny houses. If she screamed, someone would have heard her.

And if she was gagged, well obviously she wanted it.

It doesn't really matter if God knows everything because he doesn't actually share that info.  This is why trials are a thing.   God doesn't come down from heaven and point the finger at the guilty.

And I don't know about you, but I don't have any issues forgiving people without a blood sacrifice.  It's actually really easy.  I just do it.  Hm, I must be better at forgiveness than your god is.

[666maslo666]

It wasn't his choice.  People are born gay or straight.  At no point is there a conscious or unconscious decision to prefer men or women.  This isn't in doubt.  It's not something you can argue against.  It's simple fact. 

God made him that way, and will sentence him to eternal torture if he doesn't resist the urge God programmed into him.

It is not proven that people are born gay or straight. But it is a possibility.

However even if environment later in life contributes, it is still not a choice. Nobody can choose their sexual orientation because it is not controlled by conscious brain. Choice only comes into it when talking about homosexual sex acts. I dont think it is a sin to be gay, just to act on it.

Its nothing new, lots of people have subconscious tendency to be violent or commit other sins, and they were made that way by genetics and childhood environment, by no fault of their own. Are they still responsible for their actions in the eyes of a christian god? What about psychopaths who cannot into morality because their brain is wired that way from childhood, would it be an excuse?

[SypheDMar]

And I don't know about you, but I don't have any issues forgiving people without a blood sacrifice.  It's actually really easy.  I just do it.  Hm, I must be better at forgiveness than your god is.

lol, that's something I never thought of.

[Aesaar]

It is not proven that people are born gay or straight. But it is a possibility.

However even if environment later in life contributes, it is still not a choice. Nobody can choose their sexual orientation because it is not controlled by conscious brain. Choice only comes into it when talking about homosexual sex acts. I dont think it is a sin to be gay, just to act on it.

So yeah, sorry gay people, you have to live a life without sex or you'll go to hell forever.  It's not your fault you're this way, and there's actually no harm in it at all, but that doesn't matter to God.  He'll judge you for it anyway.

And it's a pretty well supported possibility.  It's not "we think it's this, but it could just as well be a choice".  It's more "there's a significant amount of scientific data supporting the theory that homosexuality is a result of biology."  Don't try to weaken this with the "it's just a theory" argument. It doesn't work for evolution, and it doesn't work for this.

Its nothing new, lots of people have subconscious tendency to be violent or commit other sins, and they were made that way by genetics and childhood environment, by no fault of their own. Are they still responsible for their actions in the eyes of a christian god? What about psychopaths who cannot into morality because their brain is wired that way from childhood, would it be an excuse?

Are we seriously equating "two consenting adults of the same sex sleeping with each other" with "criminal violence and psychopathy"?  You've got to be kidding me.

Here's the difference, if you need me to spell it out: one of these things doesn't harm anyone.  You get three guesses for which it is.

[Phantom Hoover]

The reason Milton wrote in fetters when he wrote of Angels and God, and at liberty when of Devils and Hell, is because he was a true poet and of the Devils' party without knowing it.

[666maslo666]

Here's the difference, if you need me to spell it out: one of these things doesn't harm anyone.  You get three guesses for which it is.

You dont need to tell me. I was merely playing a devils advocate. I believe it is totaly OK to have homosexual sex. But there are religious people who believe otherwise, and for them the analogy holds.

[The E]

I believe it is totaly OK to have homosexual sex. But there are religious people who believe otherwise, and for them the analogy holds.

I dont think it is a sin to be gay, just to act on it.

Look, maslo, if you want to play Devil's Advocate, that's fine.

But you really should make sure that when you do, the opinions in question are marked as such, and are not so easily mistaken for your own views. Wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression, right?

(Or, to be more clear: If you think that having homosexual sex is perfectly OK, don't make posts that tell everyone that you think acting on homosexual desires is sin)

[Phantom Hoover]

Who said there was anything wrong with sin?

[666maslo666]

I believe it is totaly OK to have homosexual sex. But there are religious people who believe otherwise, and for them the analogy holds.

I dont think it is a sin to be gay, just to act on it.

Look, maslo, if you want to play Devil's Advocate, that's fine.

But you really should make sure that when you do, the opinions in question are marked as such, and are not so easily mistaken for your own views. Wouldn't want anyone to get the wrong impression, right?

(Or, to be more clear: If you think that having homosexual sex is perfectly OK, don't make posts that tell everyone that you think acting on homosexual desires is sin)

Yeah, I should have worded that better. I meant it in the sense that religions defined it as a sin, so its a sin. But IMHO there is nothing wrong with many things religions define as sins, however if someone believes that all sins are evil, the analogy makes sense - they would consider it evil whether homosexuality is a choice or not (its not).