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Offline Lorric

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And if you want to talk about stuff like that, then TorChan is much worse than 4chan or 8chan.
4Chan really isn't as bad as it's reputation is, as long as you steer clear of /b/. I mean, nobody's forcing you to browse it. The anonymity means that all posts are judged only by their content, not some bs like "Karma" or how famous you are.

See, this is what I can't comprehend. This idea that attributability and recognition are bad or undesirable (and the entire variety of memes that spring from this) is completely alien to me.

I am not familiar with these memes. Can someone point me to them please?

This thing about 4chan being anonymous keeps soming up. Is it somehow more anonymous than Hard Light, or is it the same, because we're anonymous here with just our handles to identify us by.

 

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Re: Moot steps down from 4chan
4chan doesn't even use handles a vast majority of the time.  Almost everyone who posts does so as "Anonymous" with no other identifiers.

 

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Re: Moot steps down from 4chan
I am not familiar with these memes. Can someone point me to them please?

I'm using memes in the original meaning of "viral ideas" here, not image macros.
Chan culture popularizes excessive rudeness, spawning the idea that moderating your language is unnecessary and undesirable. It assumes that trying to be notable is a bad thing; anonymity being king, attempts to stand out should be met with instant hostility; Related to that, if you are notable and get targeted by the chan hivemind, it's your fault. The old idea that in order to get rid of the troll, one must ignore it, even though that tactic doesn't really work and doesn't fix the trolling problem, basically.

Chan culture, at its best, can create incredible works. At its worst, and more often than not, it's the bad sides that spill outside of it, it creates incredibly toxic environments and hostility.

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This thing about 4chan being anonymous keeps soming up. Is it somehow more anonymous than Hard Light, or is it the same, because we're anonymous here with just our handles to identify us by.

More anonymous. At HLP, we are using pseudonyms (unless you're Luis Dias), chans generally do not have usernames; The idea being that everyone is the same as everyone else.
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Offline Lorric

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I see. Yes, that's certainly something strange and different, something beyond what we have here where we are anonymous, unless we choose not to be. And even if we are anonymous, we're still distinct from each other as our handles identify us.

Regarding ignoring trolls, it can get rid of the troll, but if it doesn't get rid of the troll, but everyone still ignores the troll, then it neutralises the troll. I still think it's the most effective way to deal with trolls.

 

Offline Mr. Vega

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I see. Yes, that's certainly something strange and different, something beyond what we have here where we are anonymous, unless we choose not to be. And even if we are anonymous, we're still distinct from each other as our handles identify us.

Regarding ignoring trolls, it can get rid of the troll, but if it doesn't get rid of the troll, but everyone still ignores the troll, then it neutralises the troll. I still think it's the most effective way to deal with trolls.
Key word there: troll. Singular.
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coherent conversations happen on 4chan, ignoring trolls does work when you have a community that understands how to deal with them.
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Re: Moot steps down from 4chan
coherent conversations happen on 4chan, ignoring trolls does work when you have a community that understands how to deal with them.
And when all the potential targets for sustained attack are already driven off/never were on the site. One of several ways a certain homogeneity of thought is enforced there.
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And when all the potential targets for sustained attack are already driven off/never were on the site. One of several ways a certain homogeneity of thought is enforced there.
Are we talking about the same 4chan here? I don't ever browse /b/, but for every other board there's almost nothing the whole board can agree with. Maybe hating tumblr, twitter, and VLC is universal, but I don't think you need much enforcement for that. This is natural, as your tastes are superior, and everyone else's are ****.
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