[Setekh]

I can't decide between Second Shivan Incursion and Capella Incident. While Capellan Holocaust sounds pretty cool, I never got the impression that the GTVA suffered enormous losses from the Shivans - I pretty much rescued all the transports in the last few missions with the Blue Lions.

It was certainly an incursion; the war situation in FS2 was exacerbated by the NTF's campaign, not by an all-out Shivan offensive as in FS1. I do like 'incident', though; we're still not entirely sure what happened there, and it seems that the Shivans' ultimate goal was not to crush our homeworld and our species, but to jump somewhere. Capella Incident for me.

[Blue Lion]

To me, calling it an incident makes it sound like a skirmish

[DTP]

Originally posted by Black Wolf


I think you're supposed to win by default (leading directly to peace) if you kill every one of the enemy.

peace, no semi-Cold war at best, not the kind of cold-war we know, but destroy on sight.

So I still stand by, GTA & PVE won a battle, but not the war, but was it real war?. since, The SD lucifer fleet, was a "scouting party".

and When the Bulk of the fleet arrived, did they go for Victory, nope. the GTVA where nothing more than a flee itching. So war, no, Capella Holocaust, hmm, sounds like they wanted to drive us out of the system, not destroy it.

Insurection, hmm no, since they did not try to insurect the whole of the GTVA.

Capellian exodus maybe, but again sounds like Holocaust.

maybe the Second Great Shivan Offensive, and then again, they seemed to only to clear a path for the sathanes.

well, there is many possible names for the second shivan Encounter , which could be the third of you count in ST.

[Mr Carrot]

A great war implies total war, where a countries, or in this case a space empires total resources are devoted to fighting the enemy, e.g Britain in the Napoleonic wars, WW1 and WW2 all classified as total wars, the first 2 being described as "the great war" at their time.

Now neither the NTF rebellion or the Shivan incursion suggest total war, while the Great War was an all out battle for survival with fleets leaving their posts to go fight, many GTVA resources were left in place to continue their usual duties and for the end at least the GTVA relied on the "gunship deplomicy" of the Collosus battle group. As Petrach suggests if they had let the Shivans breach the Capella blockade then it certainly would have become a total war, but they didnt as such it was a limited engagement on one front with a maximum ammount of deployable assets. As such the non great wary phrases thrown around such as the Capella War or the Second Shivan Incursion fit better IMHO

[Ace]

In the game it is called by Petrarch the "Battle of Capella" that's the official title given by Volition.

[Black Wolf]

The Battle of Capella isn't a suitable name for the entire shivan incursion though.

[diamondgeezer]

I always use "the events leading up to the Capella Incident", or something along those lines. Millitary speak which, whilst technically precise, doesn't describe what actually happened by half... I expect that what would happen is someone would coin a term like this in a report or something, and the phrase would end up sticking. Tends to be how millitary thinking works, it seems.

[TopAce]

The 'Shivan apocalypse' would be a practical name, I think.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by TopAce
The 'Shivan apocalypse' would be a practical name, I think.

I would disagree with that. The original meaning of 'apocalypse' is closely tied to revelation - basically, the revealing or disclosure of the fate of the entire world by God's (YHVH) forceful entrance into the world. That is how it developed its association with total destruction or impending doom. But really, we have little idea what they were doing - it wasn't much of a revelation at all.

[diamondgeezer]

If not 'apocalypse' then how about 'cataclysm'? That's a good word

[Mr Carrot]

That would imply that the majority of the GTVA systems were wiped out with massive amounts of the population and millitary capacity destroyed. On a galactic scale i still think that Incident or War fits the scale of the events far better.

[Tar-Palantir]

I liked the '2nd Shivan Incursion' (sp?). You can't really call it the 2nd Great War since the Shivans never really got further than Capella. In the Great War they got practically everywhere.