[Solatar]

I know it's probably a little late in fs2's life span to start a new campaign that has a chance of being good quality, and being finished, but I'm thinking about trying.
It takes place roughly 20-25 years after Derelict (such a good campaign I couldn't help but make it part of teh background). Here goes:
After the Shivans were trapped in Capella, the GTVA began rebuilding their fleets. Because of lack of money, Command couldn't afford to recreate all of the high-end fighters lost in the nebula. Our fleet technology regressed several years. Fleets were constructed of Leviathan and Fenris class cruisers, Hecate class destroyers, escorted by Myrmidons, Valkyries, both Hercs, and Medusa bombers. Artemis bombers, Perseus interceptors, and other powerful fighters were nowhere to be seen.
We were getting somewhere technologically though. GTVA scientists discovered a host of new systems, and by the time the campaign starts, we have doubled known space.
Eventually, the GTVA began gaining enough money to start production of Deimos class corvettes, Artemis bombers, and Erinyes class fighters. Because the GTVA had money, and pirates didn't, piracy went down in GTVA space; as pirates could only afford Apollos and Ulysses.
The Capellan refugees were located and relocated dozens of times. Eventually, Command decided to start colonizing the new-found worlds, nicknamed the Border Worlds. Arcturus became the center of trade for these new worlds. As they became more and more independant from aid from the GTVA central systems, they began building a large military force without GTVA central command approval. Eventually, GTVA officials found out, and threatened to fine them if they did not distribute their built warships around the fleets.
They continued to build warships, and the GTVA threatened to take military action. The Border Worlds did not respond. The GTVA sent a cruiser into Arcturus to investigate, and it was destroyed by a squadron of Osiris and Medusa bombers.
This is the story of Border Worlds fight for independance from the GTVA. The Borderworlds systems are: Tau Sigma, Tania Australis, Tegmen, Delphi, Kaus Borealis, Mintaka, Gienah Cygni, and Enif.
Map (click on it for a better picture):

All other systems are GTVA.
I am trying to learn to model, but I might need some help. I'm planning on having a few new ships. Like, one Terran and one Vasudan space superiority fighter, a new light cruiser, and one new freighter.
As for FREDing...I will need lots of help on that, as I can't FRED very well (out of practice).



So, what do you think? Worth anything, or will it die before it can get anywhere?

[DeepSpace9er]

I had an idea about a campaign once. It took place several months after the Capella destruction. Its a campaign based on cleaning up rouge pirate groups in former NTF held systems. What basically happens is that the pirates band together to form 2 larger groups based in Sirius, Deneb, Polaris, and Regulus. The GTVA discovers another Knossos portal on one of the far sides of the Polaris system. The pirates being former NTF, have discovered the means of activating it from the Ancient sites in Deneb. However, when this portal opens, it explodes from its age. In the end, the pirates capture Shivan technology from secret GTVA installations. They discover BFRed beams and mount them to their command ship, an Orion destroyer. The destroyer destroys several Hecates including the Aquitaine, the Princeton, and a few others I made up. The sister ship of the Colossus, which began construction several months after the first, is finished and deployed to destroy the rebel command ship. After a while, i thought of it, and thought, and thought, and decided the idea really sucked and wasnt original so I didnt finish it. Basically, my point is, think about it for a while. Sleep on it for a couple days and decide whether its worth it.

[Spicious]

Originally posted by DeepSpace9er
I had an idea about a campaign once. It took place several months after the Capella destruction. Its a campaign based on cleaning up rouge pirate groups in former NTF held systems. What basically happens is that the pirates band together to form 2 larger groups based in Sirius, Deneb, Polaris, and Regulus. The GTVA discovers another Knossos portal on one of the far sides of the Polaris system. The pirates being former NTF, have discovered the means of activating it from the Ancient sites in Deneb. However, when this portal opens, it explodes from its age. In the end, the pirates capture Shivan technology from secret GTVA installations. They discover BFRed beams and mount them to their command ship, an Orion destroyer. The destroyer destroys several Hecates including the Aquitaine, the Princeton, and a few others I made up. The sister ship of the Colossus, which began construction several months after the first, is finished and deployed to destroy the rebel command ship. After a while, i thought of it, and thought, and thought, and decided the idea really sucked and wasnt original so I didnt finish it. Basically, my point is, think about it for a while. Sleep on it for a couple days and decide whether its worth it.

An Orion couldn't use BFReds:rolleyes:

[Solatar]

that's probably one of the reasons he thought the idea was stupid.

I get a lot of "good ideas" at 2:00 in the morning...only to realize when I wake up that it sucks.

[DeepSpace9er]

yeah... that was one of the reasons. Then i started playing with the Sathanas' beams and turned them into BFGreens.... took out a Hecate destroyer in less than 2 seconds. Then i made every possible turret on the Hecate a BGreen and launched a few volleys at some Ravanas. The only part of FREDing i dont understand is the stupid Directives Window... i can never get my objectives to correspond with it.

[Knight Templar]

well, the idea sounds alright, kinda. I personally don't agree with the technical regression. Capella, would be a big blow financially, but I seriously doubt it would hurt the GTVA into the 25th century. If anything, more money would go into military spending after capella than anything else.

If the GTVa is as militarilstic as they seem to be/people make them sound, they wouldn't run out of money or be forced to spend it elsewhere, especially after an attack of that size from the shivans. I think they'd be more prone to focus everything they could muster on Defense.

New systems: Alright, that's cool

Borderworlds: Alright, sounds a little dull/basic though. Sure they could be fighting for independence, but why would they want to?
If you are going to do that, give them an alterior motive, or make the GTVA the bad guys somehow.

Overall: Seems an ok idea, yet sorta basic. Maybe spice it up some. And I would ditch the Tech regression idea. I seriously doubt they would regress or anything of the sort. Sure they could go through a depression after Capella, but if anything, they'd make less of the Same ships, the same amount of Fs1 and older ships. That'd be comparible to America (going to a resession atm) spending less money on the Military, when there's the Threat of invasion at any moment, and start building old WWII Prop planes instead of using the Nighthawks and Super Hornets. Yeah their expensive, and yeah, we're having economic trouble, but we take money out of less important things, like public schooling, social security, health care, and foreign debt.

Anyways, I've probably made my point. So if you want to do a campaign in the future where, but don't want a whole new fleet, just do it less further in the future and tone it down a bit. (Remember, ships stay in production for at least 30 - 40 years or so, untill they become completely obsolete)

[Solatar]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
well, the idea sounds alright, kinda. I personally don't agree with the technical regression. Capella, would be a big blow financially, but I seriously doubt it would hurt the GTVA into the 25th century. If anything, more money would go into military spending after capella than anything else.

If the GTVa is as militarilstic as they seem to be/people make them sound, they wouldn't run out of money or be forced to spend it elsewhere, especially after an attack of that size from the shivans. I think they'd be more prone to focus everything they could muster on Defense.

New systems: Alright, that's cool

Borderworlds: Alright, sounds a little dull/basic though. Sure they could be fighting for independence, but why would they want to?
If you are going to do that, give them an alterior motive, or make the GTVA the bad guys somehow.

Overall: Seems an ok idea, yet sorta basic. Maybe spice it up some. And I would ditch the Tech regression idea. I seriously doubt they would regress or anything of the sort. Sure they could go through a depression after Capella, but if anything, they'd make less of the Same ships, the same amount of Fs1 and older ships. That'd be comparible to America (going to a resession atm) spending less money on the Military, when there's the Threat of invasion at any moment, and start building old WWII Prop planes instead of using the Nighthawks and Super Hornets. Yeah their expensive, and yeah, we're having economic trouble, but we take money out of less important things, like public schooling, social security, health care, and foreign debt.

Anyways, I've probably made my point. So if you want to do a campaign in the future where, but don't want a whole new fleet, just do it less further in the future and tone it down a bit. (Remember, ships stay in production for at least 30 - 40 years or so, untill they become completely obsolete)

Those are some very good points, and I think I agree with you on the point of no technical regression.

Maybe the area could be infested with pirates, and a newly constructed fleet is sent in to secure the area and base itself in Arcturus before Capellan refuges are sent in.

Comments on that?

EDIT: The Shivans could also make an appearance, that would definantly spice things up. They always show up when we have major conflicts.

[Knight Templar]

well, there's a number of cool things you could do.

1) Why not make the Capellan's the bad guys? You could have a militant group that wants 'retribution against the GTVA for abandoning the colony" or whatever. Declare Jihad on the GTVA. (again, I personally always thought the capellans could just be spread throughout the 15 - 20 worlds in GTVA space, but that's my opinion again, and it doesn't really follow your derelict timeline)

2) Have some kind of cult/sect/pirate group/mutant human-vasudan race alreadyl living in one of the systems, and make them the outcast enemies or whatever of the GTVA.

3) you could play with the Derelict timeline (remember, this also includes BWO, so technically, you can use any of thier mods too, as BWO well be out before you start any work). Now there's a few cool things you could do here, I can't say because I don't want to spoil anything, but if you're intrested, contact me later.

Case in point, some people have missed a good opportunity to play with the Derelict/BWO universe. I beleive one of the Fanfics has the whole Project Seed bit? (You know, this includes Warzone's timeline too. ) Well the thing about the fanfic, I beleive it has one of the Seed Ships missing or presumed dead or something, so i think you can guess where I'm going...

4) You could have their be shivans in one of the new worlds, but then again, that's kinda boring. Although I'm not saying rule the shivans out of the story entirely.

Actually, forget 4. I think 3 is your best, most original, and coolest bet.

Now the trick with the shivans is creating a purpose for what they'll do (and if you want to stick close to V, never reveal the purpose to the player). That's the trick. Take something like Capella. I doubt any of us fans have or will figure out exactly what V meant for the capellan bit, although they knew, because it was part of a bigger picture. And without the bigger picture, I don't think the Shivans would be much of what they are. And that's also what makes FS2 such a good ending, but not really.

Anyways, if that made sense, cool. Feel free to talk to me.

[Gloriano]

new campaing again but why first do the TV war project  then think about this:)

[diamondgeezer]

Why are people still planning full-scale rebellions and wars of independence despite the fact that even at full strength the Alliance can barely contain the Shivans? I know that humans usually turn on one another when there's no-one else to fight, but haven't three Shivan invasions taught us that we must work coherently to survive in space?

[Thor]

Don't forget that ITHOV slots in between BWO and Derelict.  For the record, there is a general Depression, but some companies are taking advantage of this situation to prop themselves up.  GNG, for example sets up shop way out in Tania Australis, where property is dirt cheap.  They are also away from the prying eyes of the GTVA, so they can bend the rules.

IF you have any questions about the ITHOV background, just ask.

As for the campaign, definately spice it up, add something new and it should be good.  But don't let TVWP fall to the way side!

[Solatar]

Three Shivan invasions?

EDIT: I definantly won't let the TVWP fall to the wayside, I'll probably just be doing this in my spare time (writing mission outlines in math class next year...stuff like that...)

Over the next few days I'll try to think of ways to spice it up a little (my grandparents are here so I'm not going to be on the comp as much).

EDIT2: KT, actually, that 3rd idea of yours may be very useful. I'll have to play Warzone so I know what it's storyline is first though, and I'll definantly play Blackwater Ops when it comes out.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Solatar
Three Shivan invasions?

Originally posted by Solatar
It takes place roughly 20-25 years after Derelict (such a good campaign I couldn't help but make it part of teh background).  

You lose

[Solatar]

Brainfart:D

[kasperl]

i can't FRED or MOD, but i might be able/willing to help writing.

and if i find some way of using TS , i'll even try and model.

[Solatar]

Originally posted by kasperl
i can't FRED or MOD, but i might be able/willing to help writing.

and if i find some way of using TS , i'll even try and model.

Well, I was going to write the storyline and the campaign stuff, but a partner in crime could help.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Solatar


Well, I was going to write the storyline and the campaign stuff, but a partner in crime could help.

now, i will go on an holiday in about 2 weeks, so if you could contact me before that, i might be able to get some background worked up while i'm in Scotland.

email or msn me @ [email protected]