[karajorma]

Didn't say I was too lazy I'm actually looking them up right now. Just explaining why you'd got such a poor response.

EDIT : Okay here are the links. These really should go in the top post somewhere though.

18/11 build

01/12 build

05/12 build

Those were easy but I can't find the first 32 bit build which one is it?

[Kazan]

lightspeed - turn off your VSync for christ sake!@ that radeon 9800 should be able to exceed 300 fps in fs2! [atleast on an athlon-based system, don't know what that craptacular PIV is doing to it ]

[kasperl]

Originally posted by karajorma
Didn't say I was too lazy I'm actually looking them up right now. Just explaining why you'd got such a poor response

thanks.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Kazan
lightspeed - turn off your VSync for christ sake!@ that radeon 9800 should be able to exceed 300 fps in fs2! [atleast on an athlon-based system, don't know what that craptacular PIV is doing to it ]

How do you do that? I've also got a Radeon 9800 and I was rather suprised by my frame rates considering it's supposedly such a cool card.

EDIT : Read up a bit on VSync in the last few mins so at least I understand a little bit about it.

From what I understand disabling VSync is a technique to be used when you are running a low powered card that is getting low FPS in order to make the game playable.

FS2 shouldn't really be getting performance low enough to make disabling VSync necessary especially when you consider the fact that you'll probably get tearing because of it.

So in other words as far as I could see you'd be introducing graphical glitches into all of your games (unless you went through the tedious step of turning it on and off again before and after a game of FS2) just for the sake of making FS2 run faster (to cure a problem which is in the FS2 code anyway and not due to the machine being underpowered or misconfigured)

Anyway that's the gist of what I could figure out from the articles I read on the net so if I've got the wrong end of the stick I'd be happy to hear it.

BTW the articles didn't say much about how to do it so I couldn't test things out for myself.

[Lightspeed]

From what I understand disabling VSync is a technique to be used when you are running a low powered card that is getting low FPS in order to make the game playable.

FS2 shouldn't really be getting performance low enough to make disabling VSync necessary especially when you consider the fact that you'll probably get tearing because of it.  

Wrong. V-Sync synchronizes the FPS with your monitor refresh rate. If V-Sync is disabled you get nasty flicker lines in your screen since the card will send new images when the monitor is still drawing the picture. V-Sync is a must if you don't want ugly graphics.

lightspeed - turn off your VSync for christ sake!@ that radeon 9800 should be able to exceed 300 fps in fs2! [atleast on an athlon-based system, don't know what that craptacular PIV is doing to it ]

no. For the reasons stated above. I dont want 1/7 explosions on my screen, and ships that tile in the middle. And yes, It could easily do 300 FPS, but my eye will only see about 40 anyway so I dont really see a reason why it should. -- And those quality problems would be there without V-synch anyway. V-synch only needs a bit of performance, it simply limits the max FPS to your refresh rate. And an Athlon based system would do lots worse, since it has a ubar crappy FSB, which is what you'll need in terms of 3D applications. FYI, I DO dislike Intel, it's just that their current processors are - in gaming applications - crushing whatever AMD can come up with for the same price. Also, heating is less an issue; and in case of the fan dying i won't have a fried processor.

(edit: about the fan dying: here, video )

[kasperl]

back on topic, please????

or should i just forget all of this an return to lurking and spamming?

[ChronoReverse]

Actually, as an interesting tidbit, I run without vsync on and do not notice the tearing effect one usually gets from this.  Even when it's going at 87FPS.

[Lightspeed]

Yes, and your refresh rate is ~85 Hz i assume, so the difference is minimalistic. However with a refresh rate of 70 (my monitor's dead) and 300 FPS it's completely another story

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Lightspeed
Wrong. V-Sync synchronizes the FPS with your monitor refresh rate. If V-Sync is disabled you get nasty flicker lines in your screen since the card will send new images when the monitor is still drawing the picture. V-Sync is a must if you don't want ugly graphics.

How am I wrong if you've basically agreed with everything I said?

I said that if you disabled VSync you'd get tearing (i.e nasty flicker lines in your screen since the card will send new images when the monitor is still drawing the picture) and I said that from what I've read it's only worth doing if your game is already running at only 10--20 fps because graphical glitches are better than laggy gameplay.


Kazan : I went to Display -> Settings -> Advanced -> Direct 3D and slid the "wait for Vertical Sync" option down to Always off and tried FS2 open. I didn't spot the blindest bit of difference (FPS remained around 40-50) so either I didn't actually turn Vsync off or the bottleneck is in the code itself

(I'm running a XP2100, Asus A7NX8 Deluxe with 1 Gig of ram, Radeon 9800, Windows XP and DX9 so I doubt anything else is slowing me down).

Kasperl : I'll quite happily run the tests when someone points me in the direction of the first 32bit build.

[Lightspeed]

Oops read you wrong then. My faulty

As for your V_Sync thingy. There's a command line that can turn it off in FS2_open.

However, note that as soon as the FPS with V_sync enabled drop below your V_sync maximun you will have exactly the same FPS with V_sync turned off.

So yes, you would still be getting 40-50 FPS, no matter if it's enabled or disabled. With the exception that when it's turned on, the visual quality is loads better

[karajorma]

That's what I thought. If only I understood all the graphics card terminology so quickly