[Kazan]

smartass

[Taristin]

Kazan, grow up.  Stop stereotyping entire groups of people to suite your arguments. My entire family is republican. None of them are liars. And you are making yourself sound like a whiney child.

There was a recession beginning. It may not have been Clinton's 'fault' persay, maybe too much of a good thing led to it, who knows? But you can't sit around blatantly denying truth because you classify an entire half of the population as being 'evil.'
Why not just blame the holocaust on Bush and get it over with. Everything that went wrong isn't his fault.  Just a large enough portion is.



Meh. I need to win the lottery, so I can afford to move the **** away from everyone. I'm getting awefully sick of political discussions.

[Genryu]

Well, as Liberator said, I watched the S&P 500, and it stayed on nearly the same level all the time. So, recession I cannot see. But on another subject, what I can see is a budget surplus that was quite well-sized being turned into one of the biggest deficit ever seen, and THAT, while not causing a recession, will REALLY not help if the economy just slow down a little...

[Kazan]

Raa: I should put it as "they make counterfactual statements" - because it's often not intentional dishonesty - they just are parroting the lies they've been told

I can give you REAMS of evidence showing that 80% of republicans hold directly counterfactual views of reality

[Deepblue]

With reality, of course, based entirely off of your opinion. Which includes that you are ALWAYS right. Kazan, please stop.

[Anaz]

Originally posted by Raa
...Meh. I need to win the lottery, so I can afford to move the **** away from everyone. I'm getting awefully sick of political discussions.

unplug the modem, a far cheaper solution

[Kazan]

Originally posted by Deepblue
With reality, of course, based entirely off of your opinion. Which includes that you are ALWAYS right. Kazan, please stop.

not at all and i am insulted that you would even imply that

REALITY AS BASED OFF THE EVIDENCE


Like the goddamn Duelfer report for starters

[01010]

Originally posted by Deepblue
With reality, of course, based entirely off of your opinion. Which includes that you are ALWAYS right. Kazan, please stop.

Unfortunately, and this pains me to say, Kazan is spot on. The bunch of propagandists you have in power are doing their job so well that a lot of people can't even see it.

[Mongoose]

Heh.  Like Clinton wasn't?  Like any prior president wasn't?  Politics is largely based on propaganda, for better or worse.  Stop attributing all of the evils of the world to Bush alone.

[01010]

Originally posted by Mongoose
Heh.  Like Clinton wasn't?  Like any prior president wasn't?  Politics is largely based on propaganda, for better or worse.  Stop attributing all of the evils of the world to Bush alone.

I'm not, in fact, I'm not saying Clinton was any better, simple fact of the matter is you Yanks lost your democracy when JFK was assasinated.

[.::Tin Can::.]

Naturally Kazan comes in and flings his liberal **** around...



Second, how can you blame a recession on someone else when it occured in another president's term. Its like saying George Washington caused a recession and it was Abraham Lincoln's fault...

Deepblue, dont even bother arguing with Kazan. He thinks he's always right, and therefor sees no truth other than his own.

[Liberator]

Originally posted by Genryu
Well, as Liberator said, I watched the S&P 500, and it stayed on nearly the same level all the time. So, recession I cannot see. But on another subject, what I can see is a budget surplus that was quite well-sized being turned into one of the biggest deficit ever seen, and THAT, while not causing a recession, will REALLY not help if the economy just slow down a little...

The problem with that mystic budget surplus was that it never actually existed except on paper.  It was a GAO 10-year projection based on economic growth at the time.  Then several things happened, first there was a recession, on it's own not too much of a problem.  More importantly, and this is what put the hammer down on the economy, the World Trade Center was destroyed.  Several hundred high-profile, international companies lost more than just staff when that happened, they lost records and accounts and all manner of things that they needed to conduct business.  The World Trade Center, by itself, was responsible for nigh on to a full 1/4 of the GDP of the United States, on which the GAO's budgetary prediction was based.  Bush didn't kill, it was killed by circumstance.

[Genryu]

After Bobbau, .::Tin Can::. managed to produce evidence. Can you tell me of your source please ? Bobbau was easy to check, but I'm not sure of yours. And if anybody else get documents, send them this way .
As it is, I'm ready to believe Liberator's explanation of the surplus, but still, in my opinion, Clinton can't be held as responsible of the explosion of the internet bubble, which caused the drop, the same way that the drop due to the WTC can't be held accountable to Bush.