[Bobboau]

Originally posted by karajorma
I think Atlantis is showing new episodes on Sky in the UK now. (If not I'd love to know what the source for the episodes I've downloaded is )

have you seen the episode were they retake the city from the nut jobs trying to make a nuke?
(and if so were did you find it)

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Bobboau
there sending an ubberfied Prometheus to smack down a few raith ships rapeing them from orbit.

Ugh. The Wraith are a big part of my growing apathy toward Atlantis. This race supposedly almost destroyed the Ancients, yet so far they've been depicted as little more than snarling, drooling space vampires. And the whole, "Welcome to our planet! We have a plan to defeat the Wraith but we just need a hundred more years of R&D!" routine is getting really old, really fast.

Now that I think about it, the Wraith kind of remind me ST:Voyager's Kazon.

[Bobboau]

/*does not disagree*/

[Liberator]

Have you considered that maybe the Wraith were much more populous during the war with the Ancients? It could be that Ancients were victorious in every conflict and were slowly ending the Wraith threat, but that friendly losses finally mounted to the point where they had no choice but to return to Earth since their genepool was pared down too small.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Liberator
Have you considered that maybe the Wraith were much more populous during the war with the Ancients? It could be that Ancients were victorious in every conflict and were slowly ending the Wraith threat, but that friendly losses finally mounted to the point where they had no choice but to return to Earth since their genepool was pared down too small.

I don't think so - the first episode mentioned that the city was being bombarded from orbit wby the Wraith, IIRC.  Even the most numerous enemy would require technology to both get that close to the enemy homeworld and to actually hurt it.  Given the superweapon on Earth, the Wraith must have been really powerful to get into that position.

Not that you can see it in the current series, natch.

[ZylonBane]

Right. The level of technological sophistication (and general intelligence) shown by the Wraith has been less than impressive. On the other hand, the Ancient technology has been pretty uneven too.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by Bobboau
have you seen the episode were they retake the city from the nut jobs trying to make a nuke?
(and if so were did you find it)

Seen it. I've got the one after it in fact (although I haven't seen that one yet).

Got them both on Usenet but I'm surprised if you're having trouble finding them.

Originally posted by ZylonBane
Ugh. The Wraith are a big part of my growing apathy toward Atlantis. This race supposedly almost destroyed the Ancients, yet so far they've been depicted as little more than snarling, drooling space vampires. And the whole, "Welcome to our planet! We have a plan to defeat the Wraith but we just need a hundred more years of R&D!" routine is getting really old, really fast.

Now that I think about it, the Wraith kind of remind me ST:Voyager's Kazon.

One theory I heard is that the wraith were more powerful than the Ancients but after the Ancients ascended they used their new powers to devolve the wraith to a much more primative tech level so that they wouldn't be as big a threat. Then after doing that they were so horrified by what they'd done that they instituted the policy of non-interferance that we see today (one so strong that they wouldn't even do something about Anubis who is after all a problem they caused).

Not to sure I like the theory that much but it does make more sense than the Wraith being able to beat the Asgard with their current tech.

[KillMeNow]

yeah i think there something fishy with teh wraith - other tahn tehf act they can heal themselves nothing much special about them - i'd say the goauld could take them no prob  hell a stinger missile took down one of there ships i'd bet money it wouldn't so much as scartch an asguard ship

and as for teh ancients being defeated hm i had a thought on this

we know the ancinets were suffering from a plauge - perhaps realising that  they couldn't beat the ancients they created a plauge to do it

as the wraith cant see through the ancients cloaking tech -  there weapons  while do damage dont destroy a puddlejumper wihtout some amount of effort but the reverse is not true - puddle jumpers easily take down wraith darts

and this is in another galaxy right so why dont they jsut haul out that doohicky jack made power it up again  it provided enough power  to go visit galaxys on the far side of the universe so........

failing that while that had that zpm they could have powered the gate up quickly and sent a puddle jumper home to earth

ahhhh anyway anyway hopefully they wont go past that point at which the series falls into ****tyness

atlantis so far only seen upto to the ep with the ritual suiacide and teh zpm shielding them - got afew issues with the show but otherwise i like it

jsut got to mention teh biggest complaint i have - surely teh plans for building a brand new fully powered up zpm is in the computers at atlantis also safe to assume that the manfacturing facilities are there too so............ build half a dozen send a couple home to earth to beat up the goauld with power up the city and as i seem to recall its capable of intergalatic travel so bring it home =)

oh another minor one but if power is an issue why haven't they installed a manual good old fashioned tritium and titatinum iris  if they lsto power they would lose there energy shield over the gate also the iris is cool ok rant over

[IceFire]

I've seen only some of Atlantis but the Wraith seemed fairly impressive to me.  The thing that really strikes me about them is that there's only a few of them awake.  The rest are in hibernation...and one of their hibernation colonies is now moved elsewhere.  I suspect there is of them, of things that they can do, and much that will happen if more of them are awake and hunting.

Remember, the Human group provoked an interest.  They want to feed...and Earth is a nice source for feeding if they can get there.

[KillMeNow]

otehr that the fact theya re quite hard to kill i dont see anything impressive about them there tech is not taht good for a start - take beaming for example they seems remarkably good at missing - asguard transports never miss

also there primary mode of transport seems to be the stargate - you'd think if they were that good they would ahve there own system

there hand held weapons is effectly a big anc cumbersome zat and think of that why didn't they take zats with them but thought to pack tasers =/ taser needs refils packs and recharged a zat jstu works and at much longer range and 3 htis froma  zat would probally still vapourise a wraith

with effectively unlimited time they couldn't breach teh shields of atlantis so yeah not overly impressed with them at all - clearly the ancients moved there expecting nto to have a fight expanded and had no military at all save afew puddlejumpers at atlantis so when the wriath appears preumably from hibernation they swept through the colonys becuase the ancients simply didn't have anything to stop them with but atlantis with its sheilds and weapons was never in any real danger  - descided that the galaxy had cost them to much and simply wasn't worth the effort they went home to earth perhaps after having caught this nasty bug  which then the desicded to ascend

one thing i think they need consider though is if the ancients didn't liek people using there advanced tech and interferened with the attempts use it in teh past why haven't they objected to a load of humans  taking over atlantis?

ah well nevermind jsut a show - but they do need to amke the wraith seem nastier lets have some evidence of there atrositys etc - at the moment i've seen them eat only one person and teh eating process hmmmmm well they shoudl amke it gruesome - i mean a hand on yoru chest isn't nearly as grewsome as a snake biting its way through teh back of your neck ah the goauld had style  =)

[Liberator]

umm, no offense, but you're english is very broken and almost impossible to read.

That said, it might be nice for Oma to show up and have a tete'a'tete with Weir and co.  Also, the Ancients could be very aware of the event at Atlantis and vaguely approve since they've fought the Wraith before and think that Humanity is the best chance to defeat them.(though this is likely species bias as the Ancients were human as well.)

Here's another thought, the Tau'ri are the 5th race according to the Asgard.

1)Ancients(ancient Earth Humans, advanced genetically)
2)Asgard?
3)Furlings
4)Noks
5)Tau'ri(modern Earth Humans, stunted but learning)

Does this mean that the other advanced races are secondary to the Tau'ri and if so how exactly, aside from being the Inheritors of the Ancients.

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by karajorma

One theory I heard is that the wraith were more powerful than the Ancients but after the Ancients ascended they used their new powers to devolve the wraith to a much more primative tech level so that they wouldn't be as big a threat. Then after doing that they were so horrified by what they'd done that they instituted the policy of non-interferance that we see today (one so strong that they wouldn't even do something about Anubis who is after all a problem they caused).

Not to sure I like the theory that much but it does make more sense than the Wraith being able to beat the Asgard with their current tech.

that sounds quite neat, but - why would the Ancients devolve the Wraith yet still allow them to be able to feed off the surviving humans?  

Because the Wraith are still regarded as the scourge of the galaxy to the survivng humans, even if they haven't appeared as powerful as the ancients were (technologically, they do have some neat stuff - transporters & holograms ala the Asgard, gigantic star/hiveships, suspended animation, though).

 Basically, they're still a threat to humanity.  And given that the humans in the Pegasus galaxy are presumably in some way descended from / related to the ancients, then the Ancietns must have been aware of this.

[neo_hermes]

maybe the Tau'ri have the ability to become smarter, more adaptive, stronger, and More devious than their ancient counterparts...hopefuly without destroying themselves.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by aldo_14
that sounds quite neat, but - why would the Ancients devolve the Wraith yet still allow them to be able to feed off the surviving humans?  

Maybe they recovered more quickly than the ancients expected. They had 3-4 million years after all IIRC. That was plenty of time for us to evolve space travel after all.

[aldo_14]

Ability, maybe, be they're obviously nowhere near the level of the Ancients (or indeed, the Asgard & other formerly allied races)

[Liberator]

Originally posted by karajorma


Maybe they recovered more quickly than the ancients expected. They had 3-4 million years after all

No, IIRC they mentioned about how Atlantis became a myth when the few remaining ancients returned to Earth 15,000 years ago.

[Ace]

Or maybe the Wraith have an inhibitor device that prevents the ascended ancients from entering Pegasus?

It'd give another reason for them being so decadent and overconfident. Their only threat can't touch them...

[aldo_14]

Originally posted by Ace
Or maybe the Wraith have an inhibitor device that prevents the ascended ancients from entering Pegasus?

It'd give another reason for them being so decadent and overconfident. Their only threat can't touch them...

Well, the Ancients did have that thingymabob which could be used to capture energy beings (3rd /4th ep I think, bit black cloud thing), it's not impossible something similar could be applied against them as at the very least a shielding device.