[EtherShock]

Originally posted by Inquisitor

All the freedom fighters have is desire, the RIAA/MPAA/whoever has desire and money.

Actually, it's more like the corporations have a desire for money. We have a desire not to pay, as well as freedom.

[Inquisitor]

At some point, even the torrent sites have to pay for bandwidth.

Now, if we did what Canada does and just tax the media and players, and be done with it, we could stop wasting brain cycles on this...

Till that happens, get used to seeing posts like this. And don;t kid yourself, there is a smelly programmer/network hacker type somewhere that LIVES for hunting down people who violate the rules for these guys.

And he gets paid pretty well.

So perhaps it is a desire for money that motivates him. Money is a powerful motivator.

[Flipside]

All things pass. I believe taxing blank media is the only way out of it now for the RIAA, but Bit Torrent etc will pass, as Morpheus did before it, and countless other. Another will always rise in it's place until the problem is dealt with sensibly. Both sides consider themselves to be following a 'just' cause, and both sides are wrong.

What they are really doing is looking for the best way to exploit the other, the RIAA really only came into it's own when people started realising that Record and Video companies were ripping people off left, right and centre, but the solution was more an act of 'Digital Vandalism' than rebellion. Rebellion would have been for everyone to refuse to buy CD's and Videos, but the temptation of 'Free' over 'Cheap' is great, but a lot of what happens these days is simply theft disguised as freedom fighting.

[EtherShock]

Excellent point, but that's because no one has the balls to rebel. I only buy CDs from artists I truly believe in.  I'm thinking about boycotting Hollywood with their ridiculous ticket prices now, 9 bucks my ass.  Pity the theaters will suffer as well.

[Pacinoisthemoon]

I see it this way, demos are mostly lame, I don't usually download movies, unless they are old enough not to be fore sale anywhere in my own reach, like FMJ, I spent months in stores looking for it, so i gave up and dled it. and Fight Club, other than that I will buy a movie based on a preview or trailer, but going to the movies nowadays is a total rip off, i rather wait and buy the movie, or wait for it to be on tv

as for games, i download them , but i play them for 4 days and remove them from my pc, from this i determine whether the game is worth buying or not, so basicall, my "Full version of a game" which is actually a full version, was only a trial, or demo for me

as for those who download games and work their asses off until they can crack the game to be a 'legit' copy and playable on the net etc, this is going too far.

As for stopping the riot against p2p and other methods, IT WILL NEVER BE STOPPED, IT CAN'T BE, there is TOO much money that will be wasted on this, and the RIAA know it, it's death to them all, they can't fight it, they can have fun with some hosts, but cannot break the system of entangled p2p engines and sources out there. like the earlier post, they sprout like mushrooms under their noses, they are crazy, MILLIONS of people out their uploading their media as we speak to keep the p2p sources coming, its brilliant, absolutely fascinating.  the RIAA are wasting money, and until they are shut down, or over ruled, the war will be won by the 'bastards' you cannot take them down