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Offline Unknown Target

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Exactly. If Bush tries to run away with the next election again (he won't), then people would be in an uproar.

 

Offline aldo_14

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Exactly. If Bush tries to run away with the next election again (he won't), then people would be in an uproar.


I thought there was a 2-term limit?

 

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There is. If he tries to run away with the election and claim "executive powers" or whatever (like a lot of you people seem to believe he will) - he'll shoot himself in the foot. The uproar would be enormous. That's why he won't do it. However, if he could, I'm sure he would.

 

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Um, at risk of sounding stupid, why isn't this being covered by any of the media?
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Because the focus is on the filibuster right now, and since it was slipped into the bill, it's existence isn't widely known.

 

Offline Rictor

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As was intended. What's the point of going through all the trouble, just so a few uppity "citizens" can complain on and on how their "liberties" are being "trampled on".

Diversion, that's the name of the game. The entire nation is too busy looking for a missing bride and watching the super duper season finale of The Apprentice, they don't have time for trivilities like politics and freedom.

 

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There is. If he tries to run away with the election and claim "executive powers" or whatever (like a lot of you people seem to believe he will) - he'll shoot himself in the foot. The uproar would be enormous. That's why he won't do it. However, if he could, I'm sure he would.


Yeah well, Bush hasn never been the brain behind anything. Rumsfeld, Cheney, Rove, Condi, Wolfowitz - these are the people responsible for pretty much anything and everything that the Bush administration has done over the past few years. And somehow I don't see the Republican party suddenly switching gears to moderates like McCain. Bush is proof enough that the President doesn't necessarily run things. As long as the hawks, the militarists, the neoconservatives (and neoliberals) - in short, the imperialists - are in power, nothing much is likely to change.

 

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I thought there was a 2-term limit?


there is, it's imposable for Bush to run again unless they pass a constitutional amandment. and they can't even get one to outlaw "evil sexual preversion" (or as most nornal people call it gay marage),  so I highly doubt they'll get a term limit amendment any time in the near future.
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really i dont think the government is in any real danger of being overthrown, however it is good to have hope that one day the earth will die in a massive thermonuclear fireball :D
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Nah, we will be "conquered" by the Shivans Vasuda style ;)
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... The only branch allowed to order the states around is the congress. (unless i misunderstand the DHS)  getting down to it, the congress dosnt have the constitutional jurisdiction to tell the states to make IDs; the 10th ammendemnt gives the states its own power to make its own ids.

Actually, the 10th Amendment grants all other powers not granted to the federal government to the States, and only they can grant the federal government any other powers (by amending the Constitution). We did this because we were afraid of the government having too much power over the States, like the British did. Over time, the States have slowly lost their powers, but what you said is technically correct. I just wanted to clarify what you meant.

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Also note that the Real ID act does not apparently include a single mention of the world 'privacy'.

Privacy isn't mentioned in the Constitution. However, it is a right that is simply understood. To prevent people from violating our rights to privacy, it should be amended into the Constitution, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. It's something that should've been done long ago though.

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I thought there was a 2-term limit?

It's more like a tradition. I guess kind of like how the electoral college would vote for whoever their state votes for (but they don't have to). After over 200 years, I guess it's kind of a rule, a rule that doesn't have to be followed, but the strong precedent kind of dictates their actions. Washington set the two-term precedent as our first president, but one has stayed in office longer, and that was Franklin Roosevelt. He stayed in for over two terms, but didn't finish his third because he died. He only did it because of WWII, so we're told. Our government bases a lot of things on precedent.

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Bush is proof enough that the President doesn't necessarily run things. As long as the hawks, the militarists, the neoconservatives (and neoliberals) - in short, the imperialists - are in power, nothing much is likely to change.

It's very unlikely, but for all we know, Bush could actually be smart and his stupidity could just be an act.

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Um, at risk of sounding stupid, why isn't this being covered by any of the media?

The media are a bunch of idiots, and their only intention is to keep us focused on the shadows on the walls, instead of going outside the cave and seeing the light.

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Diversion, that's the name of the game. The entire nation is too busy looking for a missing bride and watching the super duper season finale of The Apprentice, they don't have time for trivilities like politics and freedom.

They found the bride in New Mexico. It was a hoax. She had some nerve to do that. She couldn't confide in anyone? Anyway, it's nice to escape reality once in a while through entertainment, but using it to ignore reality completely is just as bad as drug abuse.

Jeez, I feel like a teacher. Class dismissed. :p

 

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No, after Roosevelt, the two-term limit was either ammended or made into law. (spelling corrected as needed)
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Privacy isn't mentioned in the Constitution. However, it is a right that is simply understood. To prevent people from violating our rights to privacy, it should be amended into the Constitution, but I don't see that happening anytime soon. It's something that should've been done long ago though.
 


You wouldn't really expect privacy in the Constitution, as it was drafted in a time of laissez faire governments without the ability to even try to infringe privacy to the degree possible today.  As such it *should* fall to the government to ensure legislature provides the sensible protection (which may itself be implied or required by the UN Convention on Human Rights); when the government fails to do so, there's no barrier to potential misuse.

 

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Ive lost all faith in my country and its people.


Welcome to the club.

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The uproar would be enormous.


Don't be so sure of that. A great many people are being kept in a permenant state of fear on purpose. A great many people are also being brainwashed with the republican view that critisizing a republican controlled government is unpatriotic. They will use those two things to silence most of the people.

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It's just a matter of time before the US crumbles in on itself.


It's already starting to happen.


The "War on Terror" is yet another front to keep the people pacified.
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It's very unlikely, but for all we know, Bush could actually be smart and his stupidity could just be an act.


Y'know, i think it's pretty damn clear that the United States is being run by a Puppet, i mean, when Dubya was a Governer, he sounded like he knew what he was doing and he at least appeared intelligent. When he got to be President thanks to some very creative rigging, he instantly became a Puppet, most likely to the people that got him into office and bankrolled his Election Campaign. I'm glad i'm not living in the US, because i just don't like the idea of a Country i'm living in being run by a group or groups who's indentity and true agenda are yet to be revealed...

...but then, if the US is transformed into a Dictatorship or something like it, it won't matter where we live, we're all in trouble, evidenced by several thousand Nuclear Weapons and the most powerful Military Force known to man...
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Im scared now. Thats ****ed up ****. Man, why do i live here?

Thats it, soon im moveing to Canada.. tho i never wanted to leave Wisconsin. *Sigh*

And when you become a Canadian citizen you can ***** about the current Liberal/NDP vs Conservative/Bloc stalemate in parliament :)
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Well, at least that's nice and boring. The worst that can happen is an opportunistic bimbo (dipstick, was it?) running across the floor and having her boyfriend give a teary interview.

I prefer that to the stink of nationalim.

 

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I prefer that to the stink of nationalim.



Yeah, nationalism is nothing but trouble.
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"No court shall have jurisdiction to hear any cause or claim arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security, or order compensatory, declaratory, injunctive, equitable, or any other relief for damage alleged to arise from any such action or decision."


Am I looking at the right bill?

The closest I found is around Sec. 102 (with some text searching for Homeland Security.

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SEC. 102. WAIVER OF LEGAL REQUIREMENTS NECESSARY FOR IMPROVEMENT OF BARRIERS AT BORDERS; FEDERAL COURT REVIEW.

      Section 102(c) of the Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 (8 U.S.C. 1103 note) is amended to read as follows:

      `(c) Waiver-

            `(1) IN GENERAL- Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the Secretary of Homeland Security shall have the authority to waive all legal requirements such Secretary, in such Secretary's sole discretion, determines necessary to ensure expeditious construction of the barriers and roads under this section. Any such decision by the Secretary shall be effective upon being published in the Federal Register.

            `(2) FEDERAL COURT REVIEW-

                  `(A) IN GENERAL- The district courts of the United States shall have exclusive jurisdiction to hear all causes or claims arising from any action undertaken, or any decision made, by the Secretary of Homeland Security pursuant to paragraph (1). A cause of action or claim may only be brought alleging a violation of the Constitution of the United States. The court shall not have jurisdiction to hear any claim not specified in this subparagraph.

                  `(B) TIME FOR FILING OF COMPLAINT- Any cause or claim brought pursuant to subparagraph (A) shall be filed not later than 60 days after the date of the action or decision made by the Secretary of Homeland Security. A claim shall be barred unless it is filed within the time specified.

                  `(C) ABILITY TO SEEK APPELLATE REVIEW- An interlocutory or final judgment, decree, or order of the district court may be reviewed only upon petition for a writ of certiorari to the Supreme Court of the United States.'.
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Offline aldo_14

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I wonder.... with respect to (B), is there a requirement for the Secretary of Homeland Security to disclose decisions within 60 days?