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[Ghostavo]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Most people don't want a pure democracy. Here's why. in a dense population center, people always tend to be more like-minded and more inclined to "follow the leader" in political matters (higher voter turnout). Imagine this scenario:

Suppose we have a city with 2 million Democrats and 1 million Republicans, and a huge rural area with 5 million Republicans and 3 million Democrats, giving us a grand total of 6 million Republicans and 5 miillion Dems. But--surprise--the Democrats would almost certainly win the popular vote because the Dems in the city, unlike the Republicans in the country, will tend more to think and act as one (this behavior, in lower animals, is called a herding instinct). The electoral system exists to counteract the way human instinct can distort the "voice of America", as your average greedy, manipulative politician would say.

So you're saying that those 6 millions Republicans are not going to vote who they believe should be elected? Are you saying they are going to vote for the Democrat side?

[Tiara]

That would've been a logistical and technical nightmare.

So, if Hitler rose from the grave and magically got a few votes more, due to a technical error, then his opposition he'd get the job. Much like Bush (in more then one way). Really, that's what you're saying. If the biggest power in the world is ****ed up enough that it can't do another election (which it obviously is) it just proves how moronically backwards America currently (!!!) actually is.

America can be SO much more then it currently is. Today, it's basically a Plutocracy.

Got money? You survive. Are even a little low on cash? You die horribly from government interventions. Got money but are as stupid as crap? Your voice carries a lot of weight. Are even a little low on cash but have an idea that would save the world and make an omnipotent/omniscient being jealous? You're ignored and have **** to say.

You can close your eyes for this and scream like a pussy but it's the truth. Americans always look at the EU and scream 'cesspool!' while at the same time they're wading through the same chunks of **** and don't even notice it.

[Moonsword]

Well said.  America can be more than it is.

[Flipside]

I think Bush will be remembered by history as a gullible fool who believed every biased word his advisors told him, and allowed laws to be passed through the senate that would never have been tolerated in a free society. He will be remembered, I think, like Nero, happily oblivious to reality as the world falls to pieces around him.

[IceFire]

Elections Canada should run the American electoral system

And none of this long winded run upto the elections either.  The parties vote in their leader and get it over with...and then the PM calls the election and dissolves parliament within the alloted time and you have your election.  Ours just officially got called a few weeks ago, the election mania is on, and we'll have it done with in a few weeks.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Ghostavo


So you're saying that those 6 millions Republicans are not going to vote who they believe should be elected? Are you saying they are going to vote for the Democrat side?

You're oversimplifying. Even in a "landslide" victory, margins are never greater than a few points. And did you know that only about 80 million people vote on election day? Many on both sides just don't bother to vote, but the proportion is much larger in thinly populated areas.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by IceFire
Elections Canada should run the American electoral system

And none of this long winded run upto the elections either.  The parties vote in their leader and get it over with...and then the PM calls the election and dissolves parliament within the alloted time and you have your election.  Ours just officially got called a few weeks ago, the election mania is on, and we'll have it done with in a few weeks.

Yeah, but you appoint your legislators (after all, you're kind of sort of in a sense a part of England:p), making Canada LESS democratic.

[Ghostavo]

You gave the "oversimplistic" scenario, not me. If many on both sides do not vote it's because they are:

1- stupid
2- lazy
3- without any choice they are pleased with
4- can't vote
5- any combination of the above

Either way, the people WHO vote should have their votes with equal value and not because "they are in greater numbers than we are, lets screw them up". Those people who don't vote don't count whatever they may be. They don't vote, it's their fault.

[Gank]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


When the results were tallied, they favored Bush, not Gore. When they were retallied again and again, they STILL favored Bush (albeit by an even thinner margin of only 537 votes), even after many absentee votes were quite literally thrown out. Rehnquist pretty much told Gore to give up, because the results were in, Bush won, and no amount of recounts could change it. Gore came really damn close, but he didn't win. Sorry.

You're ignoring the fact that tens of thousands were kicked off the register for no reason on the orders of a republican, The results didnt come in in Bushs favour they didnt come in at all thanks to daddys friends on the supreme court. And the margin was down to 7 votes when the order to stop came in. Sorry, but your president wasnt elected fairly.

[Ace]

It would be poetic justice that Bush leads to a high voter turnout to get him out of office. Then history does remember him as a uniter: united against him.

[Rictor]

Around the world even more so than in America.