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Offline Wild Fragaria

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Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
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Nature News Published online: 17 March 2006; | doi:10.1038/news060313-18

Earthly bacteria could have reached distant planets and moons after being flung into space by massive meteorite impacts, scientists suggest.

The proposal neatly reverses the panspermia theory, which suggests that life on Earth was seeded by microbes on comets or meteorites from elsewhere.

Both theories envision life spreading through the Solar System in much the same way that germs race around a crowded classroom, says Jeff Moore, a planetary scientist at NASA's Ames Research Center in Moffett Field, California. "Once one planet comes down with life, they all get it."

Impacts on Mars and the Moon are known to throw rocks into space that end up on Earth as small meteorites. But spraying Earth rocks towards the edges of the Solar System is more difficult, because the material has to move away from the Sun's strong gravity.

To find out just how many rocks could reach the outer Solar System, a team of scientists used a computer model to track millions of fragments ejected by a simulated massive impact, such as the one that created the Chicxulub crater some 65 million years ago. Similar sized events are thought to have happened a few times in Earth's history.

The researchers looked in part at how many Earthly fragments would reach environments thought to be relatively well suited to life, such as Saturn's moon Titan and Jupiter's moon Europa. "I assumed the answer would be very, very few," says Brett Gladman, a planetary scientist at the University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada, who led the team.

But Gladman was surprised to find that within 5 million years, about 100 objects would hit Europa, while Titan gets roughly 30 hits. He presented the results at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in League City, Texas, on 16 March.

But could bacteria survive the sudden heat and acceleration of being thrown into space?

Other researchers at the conference suggest that they can. Wayne Nicholson, a microbiologist from the University of Florida in Gainesville, has tested the idea with a gun the size of a house at NASA's Ames Research Center.

He and his colleagues fired a marble-sized pellet at about 5 kilometres per second into a plate that contained bacterial spores in water, in order to simulate a meteorite impact. The debris that scattered upwards was caught in sheets of foam, and the team found that about one in 10,000 bacteria survived. "It's an experimental validation of a fairly well established calculation," says Moore.

Many astrobiologists believe that bacteria, once in space, could survive cosmic-radiation exposure during their trip. Unfortunately, a crash landing on Europa would almost certainly sterilize the few rocks that made it that far.

"But Titan is a different story," says Gladman. The moon's thick atmosphere would first shatter the meteorite before slowing the fragments down; the same process happens with meteorite impacts on Earth. "It's a nice safety net," Gladman says. The heat of landing could even melt the ice and open up a short-lived pool of liquid for the visitors, he adds.

At the conference, Gladman was asked whether, assuming a few bugs did make it safely on to Titan's surface, they could ever really thrive in the moon's chilly climes of about -170°C. "That's for you guys to work out," he told the audience. "I'm just the delivery boy."

 

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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
Nice theory, but do we have proof that there actually is life elsewhere in the solar system?
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Given that we know life exists here, it just seems a lot more likely to me that if it was seeded around the solar system, it came from here. I just don't see why it should start up on some obscure icy world on the edge of the solar system and then migrate here, when it could just start here on a nice, seismically active world with a supply of liquid water instead in the first place.
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
To me, this looks like the religious world preparing for the discovery of microbes and **** on Titan.

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Actually religious people shouldn't be worried about it. Sure, the bible says life was created here. But it doesn't strictly say that it wasn't created anywhere else, too. Who knows, maybe God (whichever one of them one might prefer) is good at multitasking? Maybe there were beta tests of earth? Maybe we are the beta test?
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We as the Beta Test ?
Couldn't agree more....
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when it could just start here on a nice, seismically active world with a supply of liquid water instead in the first place

In other words, what Mars used to be (in theory).....
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar Sys
This place wasnt a paradise to begin with... yeah loads of tectonic activity but no water, no volatiles, etc... All that stuff has rained down here in form of comets and asteroids (including something little called continental plates)...

Anyway i'm waiting for the ExoMars mission...
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I definitely do consider Mars the second most likely place in the system for life to have evolved. Earth simply wins due to higher average temperature and, I presume, personal bias due to me living here. If Venus had a cooler period before the greenhouse effect took over completely, which I don't know if it had, that might be a possibility too.

I just don't see it happening with any likelyhood in the farther reaches of the solar system. With a few moons as exceptions it has just always been too cold, too settled for something like life to develop by a fluke. Need some form of randomness (lightning, volcanoes etc.) for that, and a frozen ball of rock and ice that recieves next to no sunlight is just not very prone to that.

By the way, is it certain that all our water comes from comets? I always thought we had at least some, in cloud/steam form if nothing else, which was just significantly added to by impact events.
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
Have you also considered the possibility that Earth was seeded from outside of the solar system?
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Not really. A rock from 4 lightyears away striking Earth, and doing so while carrying bacteria or other life, seems rather less likely to me than any other scenario. Including creation, actually :p And if we consider that idea, then we just have to ask whether life on that world evoled there, or if it got seeded... from outside of it's star system... and so on.
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar Sys
Nice theory, but do we have proof that there actually is life elsewhere in the solar system?

Bacteria went to the moon on Surveyor 3 and came back on Apollo 12. :)

 

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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
I think the most likely place for the first evolution of life would be the Fifth Planet.

I propose that life came to be, evolved to a point where sentience was achieved and reduced their world to rubble with orbital rail-weapons.
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I definitely do consider Mars the second most likely place in the system for life to have evolved.

I would give Europa at least an even chance. We have no idea how warm it is under that ice but given how volcanic Io is I'd say there would be a very good chance of there being oceans under that ice.
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar Sys
We as the Beta Test ?
Couldn't agree more....
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar Sys
Have you also considered the possibility that Earth was seeded from outside of the solar system?

Aka panspermia.  Bit of a daft theory, IMO, as it doesn't explain the origin of life atall (just moves it), and probably raises a bunch of questions about how it was transported to a suitable environment.

Although it's worth noting bacteria can survive; I believe one of the cameras left on the moon was later recovered (several years later) and found to have a living colony of bacteria within it.  Plus they've found life on earth in places that seem inhospitable; underwater volcanic vents spring to mind, especially RE: Europa.

 
Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar Sys
We as the Beta Test ?
Couldn't agree more....
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What  want to know is when they'll release the damn patch! ;)
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So there's no patch coming.

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Some believe this has already happened.




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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
I keep telling you - the Fifth Planet was the Alpha and they reduced their world to rubble.

We're the Beta, and when we populate Mars that'll be RC1.
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Re: Did Earth seed life elsewhere in the Solar System?
I think it's a pretty interesting theory but it contains a lot of questions unanswered.  As for the Fifth planet issue, I can't figur out how on earth it gets thrown into this thread  :D  Anyway, here's another topic the is space relation and I might as well 'throw' it in here along with other space 'junk'   ;7

Nature News Published online: 17 March 2006; | doi:10.1038/news060313-16

Space probe backs up dark view of the Universe

Researchers have released the first data in three years from a NASA satellite that is mapping the faint afterglow of the Big Bang. The much anticipated results support the idea that our Universe contains a good chunk of 'dark' material, and fits the theory that it expanded rapidly in its first moments.

The Wilkinson Microwave Anisotropy Probe (WMAP) was launched in 2001 to study the radiation left behind when the energy of the Big Bang condensed into matter. This happened about 400,000 years after the Universe was born and so the radiation, known as the cosmic microwave background, bears the imprint of the baby Universe's structure.

The results, announced by WMAP principal investigator Charles Bennett on 16 March, support the strange theory that we live in a Universe dominated by invisible dark matter and dark energy, a force that drives space to expand.

"This idea that the universe is 74% dark energy and 22% dark matter is really crazy; it relates to nothing we can measure on Earth," says Sean Carroll, a cosmologist at the University of Chicago, Illinois, who is not part of the WMAP team. "Every time we get observations that say 'Yes, the model is still working', we are surprised."

The project has also revealed the first all-sky maps of the polarization of the microwave background, which provide information about the Universe's first stars and about the rapid expansion of space-time immediately after the Big Bang.

Results from WMAP's first year in space were unveiled with much fanfare in February 2003. The satellite produced a full-sky map of temperature fluctuations in the background, and astronomers used it to deduce details of the Universe's age, shape and composition. Since then, the WMAP team has been working on an analysis that comprises the original data and two further years of observation.

This analysis has taken a long time to arrive, which made some people suspicious. "People were thinking either 'Boy, this is really hard' or 'They've discovered something amazing'," says Carroll. In fact it has brought few surprises, mostly firming up earlier findings.

The team says, for example, that the age of the Universe (13.7 billion years old) can now be calculated to within 60 million years rather than 200 million. And there are stronger hints than in 2003 that the Universe did indeed inflate rapidly at its birth.

The polarization maps suggest that the first stars switched on around 400 million years after the Universe was created. The microwave background became polarized as it passed through regions of ionized gas, where the stars' intense light had stripped electrons from the interstellar atoms. Knowing about this interaction will make measurements of cosmological quantities more precise, say physicists.

In addition, some confusing data points from the first survey now look like they were an experimental oddity. "There were a couple of glitches in the older data that made us worry and they've gone away," says Carroll. The WMAP team has submitted its results to The Astrophysical Journal.

So why did the analysis take so long? "It was gruesome detail day after day," says Bennett. "This was an enormous undertaking, I know people were anxious and wondered why we didn't put it out straight away, but they have no idea."

Lyman Page of Princeton University led the WMAP polarization analysis. He points out that the team had to work out how each source of noise in the measurement was related to every other, and then write the analysis software from scratch.

"I think it took us all a while to even think about this in the right ways," says Page.