[diceman111]

Hi some quick fredding questions....

• 1. Could someone here take a look at this thread I am having problens with modular tables http://www.hard-light.net/forums/index.php/topic,33543.0.html
• 2. Does anybody else experience that after you have used FRED a while say 30min it crashes if you place more then two objects in a row without saving.
• 3. Do you have to do something else to make ships added to the ship.tbl show up in the tech room except use the "show in tech room" flag in the table.
• 4. When using the Message-List SPEX, is the delay beetween each message or from when the SEXP became true, Say for example if you have a list like this:
  
  * send-message-list
  ** GTC Hyperion <- Name of ship
  ** High
  ** Freespace2 rules <- Name of the message
  ** 0
  ** #Command
  ** High
  ** Yes we know <- Name of second message
  ** 4
  ** GTC Hyperion
  ** High
  ** Ok just checking <- Name of third message
  ** 8      <-Ok now this is what I wondering about does this refer to when the SEXP became true or when the previus message became true so is it 8 seconds or 12 seconds from when the SEXP became true.
• 5. Who would win in a figth Luke Skywalker or Kermit the Frog?????? (Just had to make it into 5 questions OK)

Aha proberly made the longest subject ever 71 letters (with spaces 59 without).

/Dice

[Axem]

2. Fred crashes a lot. Its just one of those facts of life. If you want to get your mission back, look in the /data/missions/ folder and look for stuff called Backup.00X (X being 1 to 9). Those are autosaved files that FRED makes every so often. If you change the extention to .fs2, you can get your crashed mission back. Backup.001 will be the most recent.

4. Neither. Send message list uses milliseconds, so your message would run through in a fraction of a second. To turn it into seconds, just multiply it by 1000.

But if I get what your question is, it is the delay since the last message that played. So "Freespace 2 rules" would happen right away, "Yes we know" would happen 4 after "Freespace 2 rules", and "Ok just checking" would happen 8 after "Yes we know" and 12 after "Freespace 2 rules".

[diceman111]

4. Neither. Send message list uses milliseconds, so your message would run through in a fraction of a second. To turn it into seconds, just multiply it by 1000.

Ok you know what that explains a few things

[Nuclear1]

3. Nothing that I know of here. I don't play around in the tables a whole lot anyway.

4. What Axem said. FRED is odd in that it measures some time periods in seconds but others in milliseconds. Typically, cutscene and message SEXPs are milliseconds while most others are seconds.

5. ZOMG COMPARING UNIVERSES YOU MUST DIE!

[Mars]

Just don't say Sathanas                                 
             





                                                       

and Star Destroyer anywhere near eachother.

[Silent Warrior]

Bah, that Star Destroyer would just be beam-raped before the Sathanas has finished jumping into the area.

4: Actually, the last time I checked the FRED-manual, send-message-list is supposed to use delay from the beginning of the event, so in the supplied example, Hyperion has their go, Command 4 ms later, and Hyperion again 4 ms after that. As I recall (it was a fair while since I tested one of my missions) that gave expected results. Do experiment, that's what FRED is for.

[Colonol Dekker]

Luke Vs Kermit = Heratic/heathen thoughts...........

Sath and the Suncrusher, thats another arguement altogether..



3. CTRL+SHIFT+S shows all available ships in the FS2 techroom on SCP, so you can see which ships FS 2 is actually loading through tabes and save any mission load time wasting. Avoid conflict errors etc.

[diceman111]

5. ZOMG COMPARING UNIVERSES YOU MUST DIE!

Ok then Swedish Chef vs Kermit

[Colonol Dekker]

Chef OWNZ all.................

[diceman111]

3. CTRL+SHIFT+S shows all available ships in the FS2 techroom on SCP, so you can see which ships FS 2 is actually loading through tabes and save any mission load time wasting. Avoid conflict errors etc.

Bah, it dosent load any it just loads the default ship.tbl as I can see since it load in the shivan shivs (I have removed them in mine).
Do you hav to do something other than just place the modular tables in the mod/data/tables folder and name them nova-shp.tbm (for the nova for example, and with the pof and all that in their folders) and have a mod.ini file in the main mod folder or do you have to tell Freespace to use modular tables. it works in FRED but not in Freespace 2.

[karajorma]

1) Try restarting the campaign

2) Try a new pilot.

[Colonol Dekker]

Yep restartd FS2 with a new pilot and the CTRL + SHIFT + S works a charm, or whack F3 in the techroom.......

[diceman111]

1) Try restarting the campaign

2) Try a new pilot.

Tried both nothing worked (Had done this before)

[Colonol Dekker]

CAn you list all the mods you have running and where they are in the FS2 folder structure, Someone here must be able to help.

We dont leave JMC ships in trouble..........                           

[diceman111]

Hmm ok wile I was taking screenshots of my folders I looked in my mod.ini file and I had the mediavps listed in the primarylist for multi mod and not the secondarey, not a good Idea I guess so when I changed it to secondary it works perfectly, guess it overid the modular tables with the origional ones.

/Dice