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Offline karajorma

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While I'm more than capable of handcrafting crappy HTML by hand I'd rather just get an editor and have it make crappy HTML in half the time.

So are there any good recommendations for a good free editor? I've tried out a few but failed to find anything I really like much.
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Have you tried Nvu?
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Yeah. Last one I tried. Not liking that it uses a rather old version of Mozilla or that I've heard in several places that it can screw up your source code by removing all the whitespace in it.
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Doesn't OpenOffice.org have a HTML editor?  IDK, but when I install it, it is listed in IE's choices as capable of being the primary HTML editor.

 

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You mean WYSIWYG or a coding aid?
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Hmm, Notepad++ does HTML as well, I believe... I don't know if it's more than notepad with bells & whistles, but it's worth checking out.

 

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You mean WYSIWYG or a coding aid?

WYSIWYG mostly is what I want. I can learn HTML pretty quickly I'd imagine but I really can't be arsed to take the time.
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Microsoft's new editor, Expression Web, is apparently pretty good. There's a free version too. It's nothing like FrontPage; it actually works. Plus, if you edit the HTML by hand the editor doesn't screw around with the whitespace or add lots of pointless styles.
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Only WYSIWYG editor I can see myself recommending is NVU, although I've not tried Expression Web. I'll have to give it a try at some point just to know more about it.
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Microsoft's new editor, Expression Web, is apparently pretty good. There's a free version too. It's nothing like FrontPage; it actually works. Plus, if you edit the HTML by hand the editor doesn't screw around with the whitespace or add lots of pointless styles.

I used Expression Web for the FOW page, cant really say I have gotten the hang of it yet though (The page has a few bugs here and there I think) but the good news is that it has full support for CSS and so on ..... I like it


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I reccomend notepad or Dreamweaver 4. :nod:

Dreamweaver is an excellent WYSIWIG editor and Notepad is a good way of learning to code HTML.
Also

http://www.htmldog.com/guides/htmlbeginner/
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I remember doing everything in notepad.  That is the way to do it!
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I'm currently doing a website. It's my first real site and I've taken an oath to do it completely by notepad. It's actually simple enought if you know the code at least in theory. But once I learned the basices all HTML tutorial site became useless and I was forced to diassemble and analyze other websites.

Tables are really beginning to piss me off. I'm sure there's a way to finish the damn thing without using styles, but seems the crucial bit of code will elude me for eternity. I'll need to go do something to release all this hate now...
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I'm currently doing a website. It's my first real site and I've taken an oath to do it completely by notepad. It's actually simple enought if you know the code at least in theory. But once I learned the basices all HTML tutorial site became useless and I was forced to diassemble and analyze other websites.

Tables are really beginning to piss me off. I'm sure there's a way to finish the damn thing without using styles, but seems the crucial bit of code will elude me for eternity. I'll need to go do something to release all this hate now...

What's the problem exactly?

And all you notepad users out there: Notepad++ rocks.
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I haven't had much time to look at it. Summer has hit the town and I'm pissing on the deadlines. Which, incidentally, will lead me to an early grave.


Anyway. I'm trying for the basic table based page format. Navigation meny on the left column and the actual content on the right. I assume this is kosher?

So how can I add content in without it aligning automatically in the center of the cell? Or would it be easier to open up a new page in the cell (I read somewhere about this IIRC)?


I should propably take a look at this magic Notepad++ thing...
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Ugh... table-based page layout is 3V1L. Check out the Yahoo UI (aka. YUI) here: http://developer.yahoo.com/yui/grids/

That'll give you a page that's much easier to maintain.
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Yes yes yes tables are bad and stuff, I've heard it before. I'm a newbie in this so what would you expect?

But thanks a bunch for the link. Tis very helpful. Maybe my grave will remain empty for another 6 months. :)
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Don't even start with tables then. Start right out on the right setting. Learning tables will just make you constrict your design thinking to what can be done with tables. It's restrictive and code-heavy. Yuck.
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