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Offline WMCoolmon

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Re: Anti-Americanism - discussion
's funny, because I actually read that the other way around. :p

Though I do see a lot of bashing here. But most of the people doing the bashing have probably already stated their views on what the US should do in another thread, realized that it didn't make a difference then, and don't feel like restating them now because it's not any more likely to make a difference. If we are speaking in generalizations, it's a lot easier to state you opinion when you don't know it's meaningless than when it's already been illustrated as such.

At any rate, I feel like this focus on stupidity is rather silly and what's expected of a bunch of internet forum nerds. The majority of a population is not going to be above-average in any one area. So if you expect everyone to be smart, you're going to be plain wrong, because by definition the majority will be less-than-smart. So if we assume that the majority of people on HLP are, indeed, smart in the area of research and science, of course any culture by Those Other People is going to seem "stupid".

Plus, add to the fact that the people doing R&D aren't going to be spending long hours every day to produce the next episode of the OC, or running around taking photographs of Paris Hilton. Just a thought.

So I don't think it's necessarily that American culture celebrates stupidity as it is that American culture is much more widely known than anybody else's culture. The best and brightest of other people's culture rises to the top, while the crap largely remains hidden...it's kind of like judging your family vs judging your friend, because you know a lot more about your family than your friend, you can come up with a lot more crap than your friend who gets to control what you see.

And for instance, I know some Japanese anime that is pretty good, but occasionally I hear about these Japanese game shows and see them and it seems rather...dumb. But that's not the sort of thing that people who are interested in Japanese culture will celebrate. At least, not the people I've hung around with. :p
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Offline Kosh

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So I don't think it's necessarily that American culture celebrates stupidity as it is that American culture is much more widely known than anybody else's culture.


In China famous scientists and/or engineers like stephan hawking are treated like celebraties and are seen as role models. The same cannot be said in america......
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline Polpolion

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Or in GB for that matter, or a lot of other 1st/2nd world countries.

 

Offline General Battuta

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Sure they are. Hawking, Noam Chomsky (controversial man), Kip Thorne, Jared Diamond...these are common names.

There are parts of American society that celebrate these kinds of people and parts that don't. It's a really diverse place.

 

Offline Kosh

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I never met anyone in university who considered any of those people role models, and even then half of them didn't know who those people actually were.
"The reason for this is that the original Fortran got so convoluted and extensive (10's of millions of lines of code) that no-one can actually figure out how it works, there's a massive project going on to decode the original Fortran and write a more modern system, but until then, the UK communication network is actually relying heavily on 35 year old Fortran that nobody understands." - Flipside

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Offline General Battuta

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Well, depends where you go to school. Even in my public high school they were commonplace, and it was by no means an elite institution.

As I said, it's a diverse place.

 

Offline Polpolion

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I never met anyone in university who considered any of those people role models, and even then half of them didn't know who those people actually were.

Does anyone ever consider anyone a role model these days? I respect Hawking, but I don't aspire to be like him. I have my own life that I want to live, not someone else's to model it after.

And I'm willing to bet that more people in China don't rave over Hawking than in the US. Mostly because of the massive population difference.

  

Offline captain-custard

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Re: Anti-Americanism - discussion
i joined in this discussion a while back and my intention was not to bash americans but at the same time i found my frustration at general US policies being vented...

it changes nothing,

and nothing changes,

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