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New Pc and new Steam issues
I got my new pc a couple of weeks ago and everything is great with it except Steam. It runs fine with the version that the installer comes with. After installation it does go straight to updating, but I can click the cancel button and close Steam with no issues what so ever. But after that first update it screws right up. It does not always startup, it hangs on any game installation that uses Steam itself to install (does not get past creating local game cache files/preparing files for installation). I can't run offline mode, when I try it tells me it can't connect to the Steam network and it closes. It also stays running in the background when I close it. I have tried everything on the Steam support page that I thought was relevent. I won't ask them because I will never get a response, no one ever does.

My specs,
Core 2 Duo E8500 @3.16Ghz
Nforce 780i
Geforce 8800GT
3GB DDR2-800
400GB 7,200 Rpm HDD
Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Gamer
20x Dvd Writer
Windows Vista Home Premium 32-bit

 

Offline Hellstryker

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
You realize you can only use 2 gigs of RAM with a 32 bit OS right? And why in the name of the lord did you get VISTA  :shaking: Anyway, sorry about the problem man, idk :\

 
Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Actually 3.5GB is about the limit for 32-bit last I heard. My 3GB is found and used by all my Games and Apps.

 

Offline BloodEagle

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
You realize you can only use 2 gigs of RAM with a 32 bit OS right?

 :wtf:

You can use 3GB with XP Pro, and the limit is much higher for Vista. A single program, however, is limited to 2GB of RAM on a 32-bit OS. 64-bit computing allows far more RAM to be allocated to a single program.

It's still really sad that 64-bit hasn't taken off yet.  :(

 
Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
What the hell is with the 32/64 bit thing anyway? whats the difference?
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Offline Kosh

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
A 64 bit OS has 64 bits, a 32 bit OS has 32 bits. :p


EDIT: Forgot to add the obligatory "steam sucks" comment. Steam sucks.
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Offline Ghostavo

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
It's basically the size of a word the processor handles.

The bigger it gets, the more data you can store in each one and as such the size of a memory adress grows too, enabling more RAM to be adressable.
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Well... The relation is almost the same as looking at 8-bit image file, which can have 256 colours, and 16-bit file, which can have 65536 colours. When you increase the bit amount, the amount of colours (and, in case of computer systems, the amount of visual memory) increases exponentially - 24-bit images have about 16.5 million colours, and 32-bit images have about the same amount of colours, plus 8 bits for alpha channel (256 alpha channel tones, if I'm not much mistaken). But I digress...

Similarly, 32-bit system can only use 4096 MB of physical memory. But if you have 4 GB RAM on a 32-bit OS, a portion of it will not show itself as user-usable memory... it's a bit complicated, but in the end, you'll only see 32-bit OS recognizing about 3.2-3.5 GB of RAM for applications to use.

64-bit system can see and use a whopping lot more memory than 32-bit system, and I think the relation is about the same as when comparing 8-bit and 16-bit colours (256 colours vs. 65536 colours)... Other thing is whether software (and processing speed) is up to the task of recognizing and using 16777216 MB (4096^2 MB =  ~16 TB) of RAM effectively. :p

Here's an interesting article about missing RAM on 32-bit systems.
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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Lol. 16 TB of RAM.

Thanks for the kind explanation! :):yes:
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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Actually 3.5GB is about the limit for 32-bit last I heard. My 3GB is found and used by all my Games and Apps.

I did wonder about this. I upgraded my computer's RAM to 4 gigs (I have a 32-bit system), but only 3.2-3.5 show up... now I know.


Hmm... so is 64-bit really reccomended at this point? I heard it has some backwards-compatibility issues.
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Offline Herra Tohtori

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Actually 3.5GB is about the limit for 32-bit last I heard. My 3GB is found and used by all my Games and Apps.

I did wonder about this. I upgraded my computer's RAM to 4 gigs (I have a 32-bit system), but only 3.2-3.5 show up... now I know.


Hmm... so is 64-bit really reccomended at this point? I heard it has some backwards-compatibility issues.


It's all about making 64-bit systems have properly working 32-bit (and also 16-bit for rare cases) emulation interfaces... It's not a hardware issue, in fact the 64-bit processors can handle 32-bit versions of operating systems just fine, and then the operating system works very happily as any 32-bit system.

On Linux you can set up a virtual 32-bit interface through which you can run the 32-bit exclusive programs, but it isn't a foolproof (or very elegant IMHO) solution.

Also, the advantages of 64-bit vs. 32-bit OS on 64-bit CPU are, as of now, negligible, because most programs haven't been planned to take advantage of 64-bit possibilities. And sometimes when the 32-bit applications are run on 64-bit OS, things happen that can't be described as features... Whereas when you run 32-bit OS with 64-bit processor, it usually doesn't cause any problems... Pretty much the only thing I can think of where 64-bit processor requires 64-bit OS is Beryl/Compiz GPU-powered X desktop rendering on Linux side (at least when I last checked, that was the case).

Otherwise, if you don't NEED more than ~3 GB memory, stick with 32-bit.


And look at the bright side - if Gates had been right, we'd be stuck with 640 kB of RAM... :lol:

On the other hand - extraordinary things can be achieved with rather limited hardware.

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Offline Bob-san

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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
It's a bit useless now. Not much will use more than even 4GB of RAM. I still went with a 64-bit OS because basically everything I use has been 32-bit-only and 64-bit Vista had no problems with 32-bit apps. I only have 2GB of RAM, though that'll change soon with another 2GB stick of RAM.
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Re: New Pc and new Steam issues
Ok back on topic, has any one had the same issues I am having or a solution?