[Fury]

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In SG-1 we learned that Milky Way replicators were originally created by an android named Reese. However, in Atlantis we find out that Pegasus replicators (Asurans) were created by ancients as weapons against the wraith.

So far these two origins seems to contradict each other.  Atlantis did not explain how Reese fits in the picture. To make things stranger, in Atlantis it was explained that human form replicator was actually what they developed first and Rodney also created a human form replicator because it was far easier than a simple block. But in SG-1 human form replicators were explained as an advanced evolution of standard replicators.

So was Reese created by Ancients who had escaped into Milky Way from Pegasus before their ascension, or what? Pure speculation I know, it is annoying this wasn't explained in Atlantis when Asurans showed up.

[Kosh]

Not really a contradiction. The idea is probably universal: Using small machines to build larger things. The ones that Reese created were simple and capable of evolving since they didn't seem to have much of a purpose (at least they weren't given a specific purpose). The Asurans were already advanced when they were created (so they couldn't evolve, which was stated explicitly in the show) and they had a hard-coded purpose: To fight, so whatever changes they made to themselves generally revolved around that purpose.

At least that's my understanding. Basically its like how the bow and arrow was invented in many different places, even though these places had no contact with eachother.

[Mefustae]

Not really a contradiction. The idea is probably universal: Using small machines to build larger things. The ones that Reese created were simple and capable of evolving since they didn't seem to have much of a purpose (at least they weren't given a specific purpose). The Asurans were already advanced when they were created (so they couldn't evolve, which was stated explicitly in the show) and they had a hard-coded purpose: To fight, so whatever changes they made to themselves generally revolved around that purpose.

At least that's my understanding. Basically its like how the bow and arrow was invented in many different places, even though these places had no contact with eachother.

Exactly. Just think of it as convergent evolution. As another example, we've seen multiple races completely independent of one another, but with spaceships. The spaceships all serve the same purpose, and all operate in pretty much the same way, but just differ in the finer details. This is most likely what's happened with the Asurans and the Milky Way replicators; two completely independent developments of the same basic principle.

So far these two origins seems to contradict each other.  Atlantis did not explain how Reese fits in the picture. To make things stranger, in Atlantis it was explained that human form replicator was actually what they developed first and Rodney also created a human form replicator because it was far easier than a simple block. But in SG-1 human form replicators were explained as an advanced evolution of standard replicators.

To be more precise, it was never stated that Human-form Replicators were developed from the outset by the Ancients in Pegasus. In truth, the Ancients were experimenting with nanites and nanite constructs when their project took a surprising and somewhat serendipitous turn in that the nanites evolved themselves into an image of their makers: Thus, the Human-form Replicators, later known as Asurans, were born. When Rodney was trying to build a Replicator construct to deliver the tweaked base-code, he hit on the idea of making FRAN when he realized that he was using tools and materials designed specifically for constructing Human-form Replicators rather than a big ol' pile of nanites.

Rodney didn't mean that a Human-form Replicator is less advanced than a big block of nanites, but more that it would be easier to construct a Human-form rather than a block under the circumstances. Obviously, a Human-form would be pretty much the pinnacle of any Replicator construct.

Now, just be glad you caught me watching the latest ep of Galactica, and hence at the height of my geekiness.

[colecampbell666]

I think that Reese's "father" may have discovered some Altairan tech, and based his research around that.

[Mefustae]

I think that Reese's "father" may have discovered some Altairan tech, and based his research around that.

I seem to remember there being some discussion of a link between the Ancients and Reese, although the extent of which I can't really recall. Whether the Android's creator was himself an Ancient, or based his work off Ancient technology, I doubt we'll ever know for sure.

Hmmm. I wonder if I could qualify as biggest geek on HLP?

[BloodEagle]

The Stargate series is easier to comprehend when you stop watching it after the fourth season. You know, the one that should have been the last.

[Jeff Vader]

In any case, I'm refusing to watch the seasons that don't have MacGyver in 'em.

[colecampbell666]

In any case, I'm refusing to watch the seasons that don't have MacGyver in 'em.

It crashed and burned after he left. Good choice. And the last episode was ****. Way to kill a show, MGM.

[Mefustae]

It crashed and burned after he left. Good choice. And the last episode was ****. Way to kill a show, MGM.

Yes, because a highly rated finale, ongoing series of movies, and successful spinoff is highly indicative of a dead show. Damn you, MGM! Damn you straight to Hades! Even though you had nothing to do with the creative process whatsoever! Damn you!

In any case, I'm refusing to watch the seasons that don't have MacGyver in 'em.

You may not have realised this, but there's actually a few major cast members beyond O'Neill. Three in fact! Shocking, I know, but true! Incredible, isn't it. I shall leave you with this newfound revelation, i'm sure you have much to ponder.

[colecampbell666]

Yeah, but he was the main factor. And BB and CB are crap, I like to call season 8-10 StarScape.

[Jeff Vader]

In any case, I'm refusing to watch the seasons that don't have MacGyver in 'em.

You may not have realised this, but there's actually a few major cast members beyond O'Neill. Three in fact! Shocking, I know, but true! Incredible, isn't it. I shall leave you with this newfound revelation, i'm sure you have much to ponder.

But MacGyver was half the show. He was responsible for all the comic relief, always boasting around in his highway patrol sunglasses and complaining when someone talked jargon. Apart from him, there were probably two funny characters: Teal'c with his profund understanding of the world and Bra, Tack with his "angry old sensei" attitude.

Don't get me wrong. Ben Browder is a good actor and I very much appreciate his work on Farscape. But Stargate needs MacGyver. Sort of like Van Halen needs Van Halen.

[Mefustae]

Yeah, but he was the main factor. And BB and CB are crap, I like to call season 8-10 StarScape.

Oh God, you're one of those wankers. I particularly enjoy how people like you tend to think names like 'Fargate' or 'Starscape' are somehow witty, giggling to yourself in amusement as you type them, completely oblivious to the fact that everyone else thinks you're a tit.

Yes, Ben Browder and Claudia Black were, at one time, stars of Farscape. Coincidence? Yes. Diabolical conspiracy to turn Stargate into Farscape? Probably not. What we have here are two talented, entertaining actors coming off a popular, high-quality sci-fi series to co-star in another popular, hi-quality sci-fi series. The writing was particularly weak in season 9, that much is obvious, but beyond that... what's the ****ing problem?

But MacGyver was half the show. He was responsible for all the comic relief, always boasting around in his highway patrol sunglasses and complaining when someone talked jargon. Apart from him, there were probably two funny characters: Teal'c with his profund understanding of the world and Bra, Tack with his "angry old sensei" attitude.

Don't get me wrong. Ben Browder is a good actor and I very much appreciate his work on Farscape. But Stargate needs MacGyver. Sort of like Van Halen needs Van Halen.

Don't get me wrong, you make a very good point. Richard Dean Anderson was the central draw for the show in the early years, and O'Neill was very much the central pillar of Stargate's popularity. But all i'm saying is that it's strange that in the 8 years he was with the show, you didn't grow at all attached to the other characters, or at the very least attached enough to the show to keep watching.

Anyway, I take it you'll still be checking out the next Direct-to-DVD movie, 'Continuum'? It does have Jack in it, after all.

[Jeff Vader]

But MacGyver was half the show. He was responsible for all the comic relief, always boasting around in his highway patrol sunglasses and complaining when someone talked jargon. Apart from him, there were probably two funny characters: Teal'c with his profund understanding of the world and Bra, Tack with his "angry old sensei" attitude.

Don't get me wrong. Ben Browder is a good actor and I very much appreciate his work on Farscape. But Stargate needs MacGyver. Sort of like Van Halen needs Van Halen.

Don't get me wrong, you make a very good point. Richard Dean Anderson was the central draw for the show in the early years, and O'Neill was very much the central pillar of Stargate's popularity. But all i'm saying is that it's strange that in the 8 years he was with the show, you didn't grow at all attached to the other characters, or at the very least attached enough to the show to keep watching.

Anyway, I take it you'll still be checking out the next Direct-to-DVD movie, 'Continuum'? It does have Jack in it, after all.

If we are to be precise, I am actually sceptic about the latter seasons. Haven't watched them yet since a) they haven't shown them on the telly around here, b) ordering DVDs around the globe costs munny, and c) I do not warezor.

 

I do admit that I should try to continue watching. After all, I haven't even seen the conclusion of the Anubis saga. Or any movies. And, now that I think of it, the last season of Babylon 5 wasn't that bad, even without Ivanova.

[Mefustae]

If we are to be precise, I am actually sceptic about the latter seasons. Haven't watched them yet since a) they haven't shown them on the telly around here, b) ordering DVDs around the globe costs munny, and c) I do not warezor.

 

I do admit that I should try to continue watching. After all, I haven't even seen the conclusion of the Anubis saga. Or any movies. And, now that I think of it, the last season of Babylon 5 wasn't that bad, even without Ivanova.

While I certainly would recommend at least checking out the last seasons, I do understand completely where you're coming from.

But hey, seasons 9 & 10 of SG-1 are nowhere near as bad as season 5 of Babylon 5.

[colecampbell666]

No, I don't hate them because they played on FarScape (which was pretty ****ty, from what I can tell). I don't like them because they are bad actors who don't fit with the show. They make all these (un)witty jokes, trying to emulate RDA.

[Jeff Vader]

While I certainly would recommend at least checking out the last seasons, I do understand completely where you're coming from.

But hey, seasons 9 & 10 of SG-1 are nowhere near as bad as season 5 of Babylon 5.

So... *cough* waretzor *cough* ? 

[Mefustae]

While I certainly would recommend at least checking out the last seasons, I do understand completely where you're coming from.

But hey, seasons 9 & 10 of SG-1 are nowhere near as bad as season 5 of Babylon 5.

So... *cough* waretzor *cough* ? 

Hey, if you want to download them, more power to you. There are plenty of different ways, although i'd recommend Bittorrent, obviously. Personally, my local network aired the final season a good year and a half after it aired in the 'States, so downloading is the only avenue for me. Might be the same case for you, so... yeah, i'd recommend getting it off the net.

Remember, this is television, it's no different from TiVo'ing it.

No, I don't hate them because they played on FarScape (which was pretty ****ty, from what I can tell). I don't like them because they are bad actors who don't fit with the show. They make all these (un)witty jokes, trying to emulate RDA.

Whatever.

[Fury]

Thanks for your insights on the topic, Mefustae. Other than that, this topic went off-topic fast.

[IceFire]

Critics everywhere.  I sit down and watch Stargate all the time...doesn't matter early or late season and whenever I'm done I feel that I've had fun watching the episode.  Its not as big and heavy as BSG and I like that quality sometimes.  You can chuckle at the end of the episode and move along.  Its on TV so much right now too that I watch whatever random episode is on....sometimes not even intending to watch more than a few minutes and then end up watching until the end.

As for the replicators. As I understand it...the Replicators that we find in SG-1 are developed by Reese who was probably developed by the Asurans or Ancients at some point and then got lost.  That or they were a parallel development.  As far as Canadian TV is concerned...we haven't seen any of the spidery type replicators associated with the Asurans and their motives are different so there is some reasoning that would suggest they are similar concepts but ultimately are from separate origins. I'm not sure.  Its not been explained in detail but thats OK by me.