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Offline Mr. Vega

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you have two options.
the option of weakness; become a jew.
the option of strength; ask her how she feels about you. if she says she loves you ask her why she wants to change something she loves. assorted plays on the love you for who you are ****. ect.
She's not asking me to change. And what you suggest is to ask her to change. One of us is going to half to change to some extent for this to work.

And you all fail to realize just how exclusive jewish culture is and elitist jews can get, and level of social ostracism that might ensue if she were to marry a non-jew. Even if I converted, I'd be a second class citizen, and it'd make her life hell on occasion. The response of every single one of her jewish friends that she's talked to about this has been to blame her for letting our relationship last as long as it has.

And Mefustae, no worries, I'm already circumcised, so that remains the most attractive option. Now if only I could convince her I could pull it off.
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Offline Rick James

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And you all fail to realize just how exclusive jewish culture is and elitist jews can get, and level of social ostracism that might ensue if she were to marry a non-jew. Even if I converted, I'd be a second class citizen, and it'd make her life hell on occasion. The response of every single one of her jewish friends that she's talked to about this has been to blame her for letting our relationship last as long as it has.

Then her friends are, to put it delicately, dickheads.

Ultimately, solving this will be up to you. There are few possible courses of action to take.

The first is to cut-and-run. Break off all ties with her. She gets to stay with her Fundamentalist family and circle of friends, and you leave with a heap of regret.

The second is to go through with the relationship, come what may, and hope for the best. Thinking logically is sometimes unhelpful in this regard, but (pardon the clichè) real love is hard to find. If what you say about her friends and family are true, it would seem to indicate that they believe the Non-Jewish to be...well, unsuitable for some reason.

The third is to do what all good pragmatists do and compromise. Talk to her, and, if possible, talk to her parents. Maybe you can work something out.

But dude, I can tell you from experience that if you love this girl and give her up you will regret it for the rest of your life. I regret not trying to salvage the only real relationship I ever had with a girl...and I'm still kicking myself for it, months after the fact.

If the people she knows judge her by who she loves, they are neither friend nor family.

It's in your hands.
« Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 03:57:22 pm by Rick James »

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Offline Mr. Vega

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I'd by lying if I said I wasn't willing to do anything and everything to stay with her. I'm at the point where if I knew she would say yes I'd propose to her right now. Cutting and running has and will never be thought of.

And her parents don't accept me. Her mother (who is, ironically, also a converted Jew but fortunately that hasn't hurt Ashley) apparently has referred to me as her **** buddy, and her father hates me and was at one point constantly trying to suggest one Jewish boy after another to get her away from me. But they're a dysfunctional family that she intends to get the hell away from as soon as she's financially secure, so that ain't the problem. The problem is her social circle. She's not like me; she's a very social person and ostracism to any extent from a community with unreservedly wants to be a part of would be very bad for her, not to mention the economic advantages that she might lose.
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Offline Scuddie

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Just ask her if she really wants to be part of a circle which would be quick to judge.  If anyone is as bad as you say they are, they don't deserve her presence.
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Offline Flipside

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36 And been in a relationship with a Glaswegian for nearly 9 years, which, when you're a Londoner, isn't a million miles from a similar situation :p

 

Offline KappaWing

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you have two options.
the option of weakness; become a jew.
the option of strength; ask her how she feels about you. if she says she loves you ask her why she wants to change something she loves. assorted plays on the love you for who you are ****. ect.
She's not asking me to change. And what you suggest is to ask her to change. One of us is going to half to change to some extent for this to work.

And you all fail to realize just how exclusive jewish culture is and elitist jews can get, and level of social ostracism that might ensue if she were to marry a non-jew. Even if I converted, I'd be a second class citizen, and it'd make her life hell on occasion. The response of every single one of her jewish friends that she's talked to about this has been to blame her for letting our relationship last as long as it has.

And Mefustae, no worries, I'm already circumcised, so that remains the most attractive option. Now if only I could convince her I could pull it off.

Ugh. I was in a relationship like this very recently. I was going out with someone who was really torn between me and a major other aspect of his life. He took his time to make the decision, but he ultimately chose his other aspect.... Which is why I'm back to work on my mod. My advice to you is to basically let her decide. If she decides to place her Jew-life above you, then obviously she doesn't value you as much as her Jew-life, and there was nothing you could do about it. That way, no regrets. Just be there for her during the tough decision making and try to portray yourself as neutral. You can only maximize your chances to a certain point.

Good luck!
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And Mefustae, no worries, I'm already circumcised, so that remains the most attractive option. Now if only I could convince her I could pull it off.
That's an unfortunate turn of phrase!  :nervous:



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And Mefustae, no worries, I'm already circumcised, so that remains the most attractive option. Now if only I could convince her I could pull it off.
That's an unfortunate turn of phrase!  :nervous:





Do not go there on these boards PLEASE!!!!  :doubt:
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Offline Wobble73

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Sorry!


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Offline Galemp

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Well, let's see. You have my total sympathy; I have been in a relationship like this before, and I've had a lot of counseling over the more harmful aspect of that relationship and its ending. I can't claim to say this is the right thing to do, but at least it's not the wrong thing to do.

It's absolutely her decision, and if you love her you need to come to terms with that. Let her know that she can choose who she wants in her life, and that you're okay with that. Sadly her family is NOT okay with who she chooses to have in her life, but since they believe their beliefs come from the Eternal Creator of the Universe it's unlikely that they'll ever accept you.

It really does come down to her decision: you, or them. But it's important to put the blame where it lies. The ones forcing this decision are not you, or her (she's happy with having both in her life) or even her family (since they're acting in accordance with their faith) but with their religion's policies. Again, since this is the literal Word of God there's no way to challenge it without making things worse.

Therefore, whatever choice she makes, she will be miserable because she will have to give up a significant part of her life. She will also likely channel that, consciously or unconsciously, into resentment and bitterness towards the ones she chose to stay with.

Your friend already has a strained relationship with her family. If, at this point, she is not yet fed up enough with them or devoted enough to you to have made the decision to stay with you already, I think your best option would be to let her go. If she makes the choice to stay with you now, then it will somehow be your fault that her relationship with her family was ruined; even if she doesn't believe so, her family will. It might be that this could be the last straw as far as her and her family is concerned, but if she knows that you will support her decision no matter what it is, the eventual result will be easier to cope with.

Set her free, and stay in touch. In time she will make the decision on her own terms, and it will be her decision with nobody else to make it for her. If she decides she's had enough then she can associate with as many gentiles as she likes, and maybe things will pick up between you again. If she decides to stay, then that is her decision for how she wants to live her life and there's nothing you could have done to change that.

I wish you peace and tranquility, and I think there's going to be a lot of tears in the next few weeks. I'm sorry you have to go through it but in the end, this is not something you have any control over. Give your love and support her in whatever she chooses to do, although it may break your heart.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2008, 04:19:29 pm by Galemp »
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Kaz doesn't. And you know when he gets going it'll only end in tears and bans and locks.
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Ohhhh, good point!

 

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Kaz doesn't. And you know when he gets going it'll only end in tears and bans and locks.

Kaz doesn't have and will never have a basic thing common in most human beings: a sense of humor.
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Offline NGTM-1R

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Kaz doesn't. And you know when he gets going it'll only end in tears and bans and locks.

I always thought it was more of a Hilarity Ensues thing, but there you go.
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