[Retsof]

You could pick a system that is currently a red giant, then say that in the tiiem it took the light to get here the star has already puffed off into a planetary nebula.

[Herra Tohtori]

It's Barnard's Star and it's a very small red dwarf. It's about 6 ly from Sun and it has the largest proper motion (or angular velocity) of all observed stars - it moves 10.3 arcseconds in a year, which means that in 6 years it moves roughly an arcminute and in 360 years it moves one degree (the apparent diameter of Sun and Moon is roughly half a degree, so it's rather a large velocity for a star 6 light years away).

It would definitely not be a nebula system.

[dragonsniper]

It's Barnard's Star and it's a very small red dwarf. It's about 6 ly from Sun and it has the largest proper motion (or angular velocity) of all observed stars - it moves 10.3 arcseconds in a year, which means that in 6 years it moves roughly an arcminute and in 360 years it moves one degree (the apparent diameter of Sun and Moon is roughly half a degree, so it's rather a large velocity for a star 6 light years away).

It would definitely not be a nebula system.

        I guess not..............

You could pick a system that is currently a red giant, then say that in the tiiem it took the light to get here the star has already puffed off into a planetary nebula.

If I did that, then the mod would have to be a couple hundred billion years in the future. I don't know if they would have Hercs one hundred billion years in the future.

[SpardaSon21]

Just throw in the handy one-size-fits-all "time travel" explanation.

Hey, it works for the Stargate shows (wormhole + solar flare = time travel), so why couldn't something similar like (node + massive explosion = time travel) work?

[Droid803]

I like the dual Alphards.

[Herra Tohtori]

The time isn't really a problem. There's really no way at all to know if the locations connected by the nodes are in the same "timezone" - in fact, there's a lot of reasons to doubt it.

The thing with space and time and observations is that there is no universally defineable moment of "now". That's based on our everyday experiences, and interstellar distances don't really conform to our expectations...

[dragonsniper]

Just throw in the handy one-size-fits-all "time travel" explanation.

Hey, it works for the Stargate shows (wormhole + solar flare = time travel), so why couldn't something similar like (node + massive explosion = time travel) work?

True.

[karajorma]

The time isn't really a problem. There's really no way at all to know if the locations connected by the nodes are in the same "timezone" - in fact, there's a lot of reasons to doubt it.

The thing with space and time and observations is that there is no universally defineable moment of "now". That's based on our everyday experiences, and interstellar distances don't really conform to our expectations...

Now that's an interesting idea. Although the GTVA could have proved it either way fairly easily. Simply go to Barnard's star, watch SoL for a while and then compare the variability of SoL 6 years ago. They should match perfectly. You could probably do that much with modern technology let alone the GTVAs.

So I suspect that the GTVA would know whether or not this was the case. However that doesn't mean that it isn't a fact noted in some scientific journal which only subspace physicists and astronomers care about.

[Herra Tohtori]

Come on, these are the guys that didn't think of starting to send old style messages toward Earth by high powered radio/laser transmitter from Alpha Centauri after the Great War and you expect them to do scientific research like that? 

Granted, it's scientifically plausible idea that would let them match the "timezones" between systems, but only within observation time limits. For systems at longer distances from each other, it would take a long time to confirm simultaneity that way.

[karajorma]

Not really. I'm sure that records on the suns variability for the last 20-30 years are fairly easy to get hold of so 300 years in the future they'd have 300 years worth of data. Which means they could check the time is the same for any star within 300LY of Sol.

That said if Sol is in the past or the future it does give a good explanation for why they didn't just use a radio telescope. You would have to wonder why no one was in a system where Capella was a nebula though (or why no one spotted this fact!).

[Retsof]

Mabey the nebula beyond Gamma Drac was Capella  .

[Daniel P]

Remember you can make any system you want to.

Like my campaign does not revolves around the GTVA. It revolves around some alien Empires.

[Kie99]

Just use a Knossos, or mention unusual readings from a node and say it sent your ships half way across the galaxy to a previously unknown system.

[Kie99]

Come on, these are the guys that didn't think of starting to send old style messages toward Earth by high powered radio/laser transmitter from Alpha Centauri after the Great War and you expect them to do scientific research like that? 

Your basis for them not doing the research is that they didn't send communications to Sol, yet if they did do the research and discovered time discrepancies, that would explain them not sending the communications quite nicely.

You would have to wonder why no one was in a system where Capella was a nebula though (or why no one spotted this fact!).

Capella may have happened to be the furthest forward.

A potential problem with the time travelling node theory though is the way you can have two nodes getting to the same system, and ships which enter both come out at the same time.

[karajorma]

Capella may have happened to be the furthest forward.

Bit of a coincidence though isn't it?

Unless of course that's the reason WHY the shivans blew up Capella rather than GD.

A potential problem with the time travelling node theory though is the way you can have two nodes getting to the same system, and ships which enter both come out at the same time.

Not really. If you suppose that an existing node makes it easier for a second node to punch through at that point in time rather than punching through at a different one then it makes sense.

Of course once you suppose that it does raise some very interesting ideas about what would happen if a node closed and you then tried to reopen it. Especially if the node was closed by something cataclysmic which might make other time periods easier to open a node at.

[Herra Tohtori]

Of course once you suppose that it does raise some very interesting ideas about what would happen if a node closed and you then tried to reopen it. Especially if the node was closed by something cataclysmic which might make other time periods easier to open a node at.

Or different timelines...  *cough*blueplanet*cough*

[MC_Kejml]

I am searching for a certain map displaying several hostile systems beyond gamma drac. The only thing I remember is that a certain player on fsnet, named  AlphaOne had it in his avatar.



Thanks in advance!

[KappaWing]

I saw a map like this, but there were only two. The system after Gamma Drac was named "Formalhaut" and the system after that was unnamed.

[Narvi]

Damn, Ross 128 is like 2 jumps from Sol.

I always figured it was like on the edge somewhere. It's a bit odd that the Shivans weren't noticed earlier than they were.

[Droid803]

Damn, Ross 128 is like 2 jumps from Sol.

I always figured it was like on the edge somewhere. It's a bit odd that the Shivans weren't noticed earlier than they were.

They wanted to nail the Zods first, so they look the long way around?