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Offline iamzack

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9/11?
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Offline Snail

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9/11?
Not really a real military offensive in the traditional sense... But then again I doubt a real military offensive is much use nowadays anyway.

 

Offline Dilmah G

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Re: Discussion on the US military. Pros and cons.
9/11?
Not really a real military offensive in the traditional sense... But then again I doubt a real military offensive is much use nowadays anyway.

Yes, well I'm pretty sure the US Army associated 'Oil' and 'Iraq' with a 'Military Offensive' somewhere down the line. "Operation Iraqi Freedom" my.****in.ass.

 

Offline Flipside

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Wish I could find the article on the time the US Military declared some War Games null and void because the military 'lost' a load of vital assets to the general who was playing the enemy.

 

Offline redsniper

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Wait, you're saying that the US military said that wargames where the US loses don't count?
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Offline Nuclear1

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We don't like our pride hurt...especially since we keep losing dogfights to the Indians. :p
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Offline Mika

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We don't like our pride hurt...especially since we keep losing dogfights to the Indians.

Good one!
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Offline General Battuta

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Re: Discussion on the US military. Pros and cons.
There was also one where an iconoclastic US officer, playing as the Iranians, butchered most of the US Navy with low-tech dirty tactics.

 

Offline Flipside

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Re: Discussion on the US military. Pros and cons.
That's the one I'm thinking about I think, they declared the games void and wanted to restart.

If only you could do that in real life....

 
Re: Discussion on the US military. Pros and cons.
We don't like our pride hurt...especially since we keep losing dogfights to the Indians. :p

If you'd check the rules of engagement, you'd find the war games with India are meant to show the USAF needs a bigger budget for F-22's.

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"–“The exercise, in which US F-15Cs were said to have been defeated more than 90 per cent of the time in direct combat exercises against the IAF, is causing US Air Force officials to re-evaluate the way the service trains its fighter pilots while bolstering the case for buying the F/A-22 as a way to ensure continued air dominance for the United States.”"

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"In Cope Thunder, four F-15Cs were pitted against 10 or 12 of same model Indian fighters such as the Mirage 2000, MIG-27 and MIG-29s in offensive and defensive counter air scenarios. But the two most formidable IAF aircraft proved to be the MIG-21 Bison, an upgraded version of the Russian-made baseline MIG-21, and the Sukhoi SU-30K Flanker, US officials said."

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""The major takeaway for the Air Force is that our prediction of needing to replace the F-15 with the F/A-22 is proving out as we get smarter and smarter about other [countries'] capabilities around the world and what technology is limited to in the F-15 airframe," Col. Snodgrass said. "We've taken [the F-15] about as far as we can and it's now time to move to the next generation." "

I've also read somewhere (can't find the source) that the F-15's were limited to AIM-7 Sparrows and onboard sensors, and the Indians could cheat- the AWACS which was acting as a referee gave India radar support, and they were free to use their whole arsenal.
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Offline redsniper

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Maybe the US pilots should try harder. :p (Joking! joking....)
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Offline Mika

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Especially since the dogfights are more scarce nowadays.

Then again, the Indians I don't think that the Indians cheated that much on the other hand. They had a radar that could monitor the whole airspace while US pilots didn't. It's pilot's and CO's job to deal with it. It is not that unrealistic, even though AWACS has been available for US. But what if it isn't?

Besides, what's the rationale of getting into dogfight with Su-27? That simply doesn't make sense. If you have better radar and missiles you use them and run. Massive furball is their plan and you stay away from it and do everything you can to break or to find holes in their plans.

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