[Liberator]

social conservatives are the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant.

How could you come to that conclusion?  Have you met any?  Or are you going by what some Professor who has an agenda said.

A true social conservative believes in the things that typically make they're culture stronger such as family values, moral leadership and true justice, not politically expedient justice or assention to mob thinking about a crime to win brownie points with a particular demographic.

A true social conservative would reject a bigot of any flavor simply because they're it's not moral to hate anyone.

[Ford Prefect]

Jesus titty****ing Christ....

[NGTM-1R]

Translation follows...

Family values: codeword for "defense of marriage" and other acts against alternative styles of living, including but not limited to homosexuality, single parents, polyamory, and extra-marital affairs. Proponents of family values frequently reject even the concept of being bisexual to boot, believing it's not possible.

Moral leadership: Starting wars in Iraq with false cause. More broadly, the belief that there is no such thing as dangerous power when it is in the hands of a moral man. A decidedly un-Constitutional concept and something the Bill of Rights categorically rejects by its mere existence. Foolish as well, for even social conservatives generally agree no man is fit for absolute power.

True justice: The rejection of moral relativism, which is itself very poorly defined and only used by the social conservative set.

[High Max]

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[karajorma]

I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America?


This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.

[General Battuta]

social conservatives are the racists, bigots, and homophobes and stupid and ignorant.

How could you come to that conclusion?  Have you met any?  Or are you going by what some Professor who has an agenda said.

A true social conservative believes in the things that typically make they're culture stronger such as family values, moral leadership and true justice, not politically expedient justice or assention to mob thinking about a crime to win brownie points with a particular demographic.

A true social conservative would reject a bigot of any flavor simply because they're it's not moral to hate anyone.

Social conservatives do tend to score higher on implicit association tests for bias.

Your thoughts?

[redsniper]

Those tests were obviously conducted by liberals!

[General Battuta]

I'd actually like to retract that statement. It was, upon reflection, totally unfounded. Furthermore, IAT results can't be cleanly turned into 'indicators of prejudice.'

[Janos]

I see where Lib is coming from, even though I only read the last post.

hmmm

[Colonol Dekker]

I just realised how eerie all the Zod hate was leading up to this. . . . I'm not changing my stance though.
 
I do however feel that somebody shouldn't be a target of prejudice due to race (although in a unintelligent mind that normally boils down to the colour of skin) i'd rather see someone punished because of their actions. With proof over allegation mind you.

[McCall]

It was a good call telling folks to get this back on topic, what with it being about UK politics an' all.

Just a quick note, from an old rightie. The BNP is not right wing. Really. That bunch are socialists. National(ist?) Socialists. No self-respecting rightie is going to even consider going there unless it's a two-horse runoff from hell between them and Crash Gordon (with his lovely assistants Mandy and Darling). Bloody Hector that's a horrible thought - "Sodomy or nail-pulling sir?"

http://www.politicalcompass.org/extremeright

If you look at a political map of Blighty over the last few years (blimey it's hard typing when you've have too much wine), you'll notice that the BNP does best in the traditionally Labour (spit) areas. Down in the Conservative heartland they're all protest-voting UKIP.

(Now a lot of folks dinnae like the UKIP, but the BNP they ain't. Let's give them that.)

Strictly speaking, going from their policies and attitudes and such like, the BNP is an authoritarian left party. Check out their manifesto if you like (although that bit of their site is a bit shagged right now).

http://www.bnp.org.uk

Anyway, now I've given the non-Brits a bit of background, back to debating the BBC's (hack spit) coverage.

You know, what disappointed me the most - as much as it didn't surprise me - was the ganging up. Yes we know the BNP doesn't like foreigners and coloured folk much. That simply isn't news. Question Time was an opportunity to engage them on a level playing field, not just on policy but on how to actually implement that policy in the real world, and the twerps they wheeled in there completely passed it by. Tossers.

We could have had a wonderful debate, parties putting forth proposals and explanations of how they would work in the real world... and I can bet ol' Nick would've struggled to deliver.

But then, alas, our mainstream is made up of such intellectual and moral lightweights as Jack Straw. Let's face it: from a policy point of view, no Labour flunky is going to shine either.

Sadly, all this episode really did was to highlight the utterly shameful state of British politics. No wonder the bloody BNP got extra interest afterward.

[Colonol Dekker]

The recession started elsewhere but that's besides the point.

[McCall]

Well they like blaming USA for it. Personally I don't think that really excuses us doing a lemming off the cliff after them. Not when you consider how much all these minister guys get paid to look after the bloody shop.

[Kosh]

I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America?


This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.

Didn't you hear? Britain is the 51st state.....

[QuantumDelta]

I have a question. Why does everything have to be about America?


This is a debate about British politics. Try to keep on topic guys.

Didn't you hear? Britain is the 1st state.....

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