[Dilmah G]

Note to self: never tell people what's on your mind.

Better yet, never talk. In fact, live in constant fear of unprovoked and indiscriminate 'justice.'

Oh stop being such a c*nt.

[chief1983]

Hades, it's fine to show only the closing tag of something like /sarcasm.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

I think Hades was trying to point out that there should be a [sarcasm] at the front.

It would be nice if we had a sarcasm tag that works, though.

[chief1983]

And I was trying to point out that you don't need a [sarcasm] tag at the front.

[jr2]

It would be nice if we had a sarcasm tag that works, though.

Seconded

[Angelus]

Personally, i associate the #hard-light IRC with HLP as the channel is FreeSpace and directly HLP ( imo ) related.

The topics discussed there are sometimes so...oh well...different, you don't want to post them in any Forum.
That's ok me thinks, since people who frequently visit the channel know that it's mostly fun and/ or for the lulz, and we wouldn't have it any other way, right?

I fully agree, even though i think that #hard-light IRC and HLP are part of the same coin*, people should not get monkeyd or banned for things they did in the channel, or get banned from the channel because of the things they posted in the forum, unless the things swap over ( like The_E mentioned ).

A discussion about piracy is one thing, posting links to pirated stuff an entirely another.
And in this specific case, i think the ban from the channel was justified.




*Let me elaborate that a bit:

I think that all FS or HLP related channels should be treated as part of the Site, with all rights and Rules ( even though the fact that the SuperOPS are the higher Authority there and that the channel is on a different server). Except maybe for the different kind of humour, that is already allowed in the channel...
Some of the Admins and Forum/ Subforum moderators here, are already OPS in the various channels so it shouldn't be a problem.

I think the #hard-light channel is the HLP equivalent of Babylon 5's brown sector, it has it's own rules ( like, you can get away with a little trollin' or get booted for a minute but no further punishment - which btw other people might enjoy  ), but the major HLP rules should still apply there ( talking about pirating stuff, posting forbidden links, a.s.o. ).

[chief1983]

Yeah well, I don't, because they're not part of the site.  They're two different mediums.  If anything IRC is closer to GenDisc at the least, but still even less so.  Most of this has to do with there being a lack of a permanent record in most cases.  It's not just assumed that anything you say could show up on a Google search so you can get away with a bit more in there.  Plus, IRC has Esper's policies to worry about which we don't specifically here, but many of them overlap.

[Aardwolf]

A discussion about piracy is one thing, posting links to pirated stuff an entirely another.
And in this specific case, i think the ban from the channel was justified.

Nitpick: he never actually posted a link. So that's kind of a non-sequitur (unless the second statement there wasn't logically related to the first, in which case they shouldn't have been in the same paragraph).

Also, a reminder for people who want to bring up the "things swap over" argument: in this particular case, it was Fury, not dANGER_boy, who posted the chat log.

In doing so, he has provided as much information about how to obtain dANGER_boy's warez as dANGER_boy did, and has made it available to a much larger audience. But I don't particularly expect him to get banned any time soon, considering he's an Admin.




Edit:

In case you wanted to argue with me some more: too bad, you can't. I've decided to stop advancing my original position (although that doesn't mean I've changed my mind about this issue). So don't take the above points as being parts of a greater thesis; they're not.

[Androgeos Exeunt]

Nitpick: he never actually posted a link. So that's kind of a non-sequitur (unless the second statement there wasn't logically related to the first, in which case they shouldn't have been in the same paragraph).

I decided to bring this debate to the EsperNet help channel. The channel admin that responded to my query seems to agree with Fury, so there we go.

In doing so, he has provided as much information about how to obtain dANGER_boy's warez as dANGER_boy did, and has made it available to a much larger audience. But I don't particularly expect him to get banned any time soon, considering he's an Admin.

I'd like to point out that Fury posted the chat log so that everyone else knew what the Hell was going on.

[Angelus]

A discussion about piracy is one thing, posting links to pirated stuff an entirely another.
And in this specific case, i think the ban from the channel was justified.

Nitpick: he never actually posted a link. So that's kind of a non-sequitur (unless the second statement there wasn't logically related to the first, in which case they shouldn't have been in the same paragraph).

Also, a reminder for people who want to bring up the "things swap over" argument: in this particular case, it was Fury, not dANGER_boy, who posted the chat log.

In doing so, he has provided as much information about how to obtain dANGER_boy's warez as dANGER_boy did, and has made it available to a much larger audience. But I don't particularly expect him to get banned any time soon, considering he's an Admin.

Duh, sorry my bad.
I actually meant, as i said "And in this specific case...":

A discussion about piracy is one thing, posting links to pirated stuff an entirely another.
And in this specific case, i think the ban from the channel was justified.

that the ban was justified, because of what dANGER_boy said in the IRC channel, not because he asked here in the forum who the chanOPS are. The posting links part, is meant in General, i am not saying that dANGER_boy did post any links!
Fury merely posted the reason why he was banned, which in my opinion doesn't qualify, Fury to be the one, who allowed things to swap over. If a politician makes a harrasing comment about minoritys on TV, whom do you blame - the politician or the anchorman of the news show who reported said event and quoted him?

If we assume for a moment, dANGER_boy would have posted the same thing in the forum ( GenDisc, GameDisc) he said in IRC, or started actually complaining about the reason for the ban ( which he did not! ), that would i interpret as swapping over, and be a possible reason for a monkeying or a TempBan.

Sorry for the confusion.

[Fury]

Time to close this topic. Everything that was needed to be said has been said several times already.