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Offline General Battuta

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Re: I'm very surprised...
I like how Herra instantly gets his panties in a bunch though  :lol:


Ah yes, panties. The immortal group of undergarments allegedly waiting for every opportunity to get in a bunch. We have dismissed that claim.

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Offline Thaeris

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Re: I'm very surprised...
I like how Herra instantly gets his panties in a bunch though  :lol:


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CLI..

Ok... that's a bit too far...  :P
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Offline Flaser

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Re: I'm very surprised...
Back on topic: Aquanox is an FPS disguised as an underwater sub simulator.
It's predecessor Archimedean Dynasty is the real deal: arcade simulation of advanced submarines in a post apocalyptic underwater setting with a plot and complex missions.

(Nowadays PCs are fast enough to play it well on Dosbox).

There are a number of concessions I'd make for gameplay:
-Subs should be able to dive a lot deeper.
-Subs should be faster and steered like planes. (There are such designs, heck you can make your sub a lot more nimble if you rely on the Bernoulli effect (lift) instead buoyancy).
-You could make bombers buoyant designs and fighters lift designs. The later have to keep moving to maintain depth, but are faster and can dive quicker. Buoyant designs can rise faster.
-Add thick armor, so subs could take a lot more pounding without being crushed.
-Actually fighters and bombers could altogether dispense with air if they used oxygenised liquid breathing systems - so could capships, but let's say people can't be immersed in the stuff too long or their skin dies (actually true), and capship needs time to "flood all compartments" with breathing liquid.
-Add some fluff about super cavitating drives (your "jumpdrive") on big carriers with smaller subs as escort.
-Add green lasers for close in zapping, gryojet guns for medium range spray & pray, super cavitating guns for long ranged sniping and torpedoes for long ranged volleys and super cavitating torpedoes as capship weapons.
-Normal torpedoes can be shot down. Same goes for supercavitating torps, but they're really fast.
-Normal torpedoes could be "plentiful" (half a dozen on a fighter, two dozen on a big bomber), while supercav torpedoes are big things, a fighter may carry two, a bomber six.
-Small supercavitating torpedoes could be the "new weapon" of the game...
-...that you can counter by super cavitating gun turrets...
-...or explosive mines since:
-Super cavitating weapons can be destroyed by shockwaves as disruption of their cavitation bubble results in massive forces acting on them. (These forces also arise normally, but only to the carefully designed cavitator surface while their bubble is intact). So "flak-burst" can protect a ship from these weapons.
-You could also deploy buoys that release a gas curtain. Then the attacker has to either dive below the curtain or use special multi-stage weapons that use conventional drives to cross the curtain. (At that moment they're slow enough to shoot down).
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Offline Wanderer

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Re: I'm very surprised...
Well... Anything doing supercavitation is essentially blind, deaf, dumb and damn noisy. Given that such object is by definition surrounded by air bubble(s) and that most underwater sensors sorta require direct contact to water such weapons would be mostly rocket style (which it is) with possibly some being wire controls. Unless something new has come with those.
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Offline Nuke

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Re: I'm very surprised...
it seems military subs usually make use of both hydroplanes and buoyancy. research submersibles usually use thruster fans instead of hydroplanes simply because they dont go fast enough to really make use of them. then you have personal subs like deep flight which maintain positive buoyancy and require forward motion to stay submerged, but this is the kind of sub you would want to use as a fighter. currently they cant go nowhere near the depth of a navy sub. if paired with a liquid breathing medium, maybe that depth would be possible. the problem with breathing a liquid is that it would still need to contain oxygen, and completely ignore the fact (at least in the abyss) that oxygen under extreme pressure essentially becomes a narcotic.
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Offline Flaser

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Re: I'm very surprised...
it seems military subs usually make use of both hydroplanes and buoyancy. research submersibles usually use thruster fans instead of hydroplanes simply because they dont go fast enough to really make use of them. then you have personal subs like deep flight which maintain positive buoyancy and require forward motion to stay submerged, but this is the kind of sub you would want to use as a fighter. currently they cant go nowhere near the depth of a navy sub. if paired with a liquid breathing medium, maybe that depth would be possible. the problem with breathing a liquid is that it would still need to contain oxygen, and completely ignore the fact (at least in the abyss) that oxygen under extreme pressure essentially becomes a narcotic.

...actually you're not quite correct either.

What divers have to deal with is partial pressure. To put it simply, if you have a gas mixtures with 70% X, and 30% Y, then the partial pressure of gas X at pressure Z is is 0.7 times pressure Z.

That's why you can dive deeper by putting ever more Helium into your mixture (essentially lowering the partial pressure of both nitrogen and oxygen).

However with liquid breathing mediums, all of that goes out the window:

The reason why gases under high pressure become narcotic or poisonous is thanks to the fact that more and more gas is present in the same volume. This result in more gas being dissolved into your blood for each breath.

With gases already dissolved in liquid this isn't a problem. Further more liquids are incompressible so the pressure that acts on them doesn't matter. If you have just the right amount of oxygen dissolved in your breathing medium, than the lungs can't extract more from them than what's already there. The amount of gas won't increase even if the pressure does.

...so no. The Abyss got it exactly right. (However they did get other things wrong, and the alien tech is just way out impossible).
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Offline JGZinv

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Re: I'm very surprised...
How'd this thread go on so long without mention of Blue Submarine No. 6?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arjslNGI-u0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XQDhz5Pdso
Sadly the better action scenes saddled with LQ and poor song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4r5ohdPGmQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRE2TpOWI8w
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Offline Wanderer

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Re: I'm very surprised...
I would prefer the yellow submarine... :P
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Offline jr2

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Re: I'm very surprised...
Mongoose, I believe you mean the game "Tigershark".
Yeah, I think that was it.  I'm assuming it wasn't very popular, though, as there isn't even a Wiki page for it. :p

Assuming GOG doesn't have it that is...  checking... nope.  Until they do, use HOTU I guess unless you can find it on ebay.

EDIT removed HOTU directions;

You can find it on Amazon rather cheaply.  ;)