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Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Aardwolf on World Peace
Such a question is subjective; there is no exact answer.

Are you dismissing all subjective questions? Or did you not realize that this topic was subjective from the start?

 

Offline Scotty

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Re: Aardwolf on World Peace
Such a question is subjective; there is no exact answer.

Are you dismissing all subjective questions? Or did you not realize that this topic was subjective from the start?

No.  Yes, I did realize that.

 

Offline watsisname

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Asking when it is worth using violence to achieve something pretty much means the same as asking "when is it morally acceptable?".  It's not a very useful question in my opinion.  Imagine if we went through a severe famine, and a large portion of the population couldn't get enough food to survive.  Then of course people will start using violence, and they are not going to give a damn about whether violence is morally acceptable.  The only thing they're caring about is finding a way to stop their hunger pangs. 

That was an extreme example, but it serves to show the idea behind it, which is fairly basic.  If one's situation is good, then they will probably see violence as unnecessary and immoral.  But the more unstable the situation, the more violence will be seen as a useful course of action.  Those who stick hard to morality will rapidly find themselves in a disadvantage to those who do not.  And even when everyone is well off, there's always individuals who want more, and are willing to compete with others to get it.  The use of competition to gain an advantage is simply a natural result of game theory applied to evolutionary processes.  And of course, in the world we live in, not everyone is well off, and resources are neither infinite nor equally distributed.  Hence, conflict, to some degree, is always present.
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Offline Aardwolf

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Re: Aardwolf on World Peace
Well duh... to people who are starving, food is worth using violence for.

But I'm not talking about starving people, I'm talking about us forumites. And I'm not talking about small-scale stuff like knocking a guy out and taking his wallet, I'm talking about nation-versus-nation war.

 

Offline watsisname

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My comments included a discussion of people like us forumites.
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If one's situation is [well-off], then they will probably see violence as unnecessary and immoral.  But the more unstable the situation, the more violence will be seen as a useful course of action.
You and I are pretty well off, all things considered, eh?  As long as that's the case then of course it's hard for us to imagine circumstances 'worth' using violence/war for.  Not so for many less-fortunate people out there in the world.

Nation-vs-nation war is simply a result of what I just described about individual behavior and finite/unequal resource distribution, but applied to groups.  It's certainly much more complex, but again the basic principles are the same.
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Offline Aardwolf

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Oh, a reply!

I can imagine it just fine!

But usually if you're serving in a military, you expect to get paid/fed out of the military's pocket (unless you're a viking?). And the same goes for the enemy. Come to think of it, that means there's somebody at home who's got money and food, who is using your lack of money/food to make you go somewhere else to kill/be killed.

Relevant semi-rhetorical question: how many combined kills do the Buddhist infantrymen of the world have?

 
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how many combined kills do the Buddhist infantrymen of the world have?

Do we take fanaticals into the equation?

  

Offline NGTM-1R

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Re: Aardwolf on World Peace
Relevant semi-rhetorical question: how many combined kills do the Buddhist infantrymen of the world have?

A lot more than you'd suspect.

Hell, there were a number of very prominently placed Zen Buddhists in the Imperial Japanese military. Ryūnosuke Kusaka was the deputy commander of First Air Fleet from Pearl Harbor to after Midway and a Rear Admiral; he made Vice Admiral and deputy commander Combined Fleet before the end of the war.
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