[General Battuta]

You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!

Spoiler:

context matters

[Lorric]

This isn't some random multiplayer trash talk over the interwebs, this was scripted event put on by Microsoft.  This skit or whatever you want to call it was something that was written up specifically to convey a message by a marketing team.  It doesn't fall under the "Broseph didn't really mean it, he just likes his Halos." excuse.  Don't even bother trying.

The fight was unscripted.

[Lorric]

You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!

Spoiler:

context matters

 

In other words it only applies when you say it does.

[StarSlayer]

Hahaha you think they actually are presenting an unrehearsed skit?

[General Battuta]

You should be able to answer your own question without any great effort, using things we've already told you. Here is a big hint!

Spoiler:

context matters

 

In other words it only applies when you say it does.

No. Try again. How do we know what a sentence means in language? Why does the phrase '**** yourself and die' make us laugh sometimes, and angry at other times?

[Lorric]

Battuta, I think we're done here.

Hahaha you think they actually are presenting an unrehearsed skit?

Yes. Natural gameplay would be more effective. They were more interested in putting over the auto-replay thing anyway.

[General Battuta]

Can you see why a phrase would make us afraid in one context (uttered in a dark alley) and seem completely routine in another context (in the dentist's office)?

[666maslo666]

Rape is not only not a stretch, it is the very first thing associated with this phrase. This is one of the archetypical phrases reported by rape survivors.

See, I did not even know there was any such strong association (if there even is). So maybe I am an big anomaly. Or it is not true and this phrase is strongly associated with rape maybe in feminist and rape survivor circles, while not being so in general.

context matters

Uhm, you do realize this was a gaming multiplayer fight? I think context points to this phrase being a part of game-related taunting, not rape or sexims, if anything.

[Polpolion]

The woeful inability of you (and by that I mean the whole trio) to judge me and my motivations time and time again gives me zero confidence in your ability to judge others and theirs.

Look at Polpolion, ask me questions, instead of making judgements.

Wait, am I supposed to judge you or ask you questions? I did ask you questions, and you're refusing to answer them. I can only conclude that you're an insensitive prick. Not associating the joke with rape or not being offended by it doesn't make you sexist or an asshat per se, but insisting that it can't be interpreted in that way can, which is tacitly what you're doing. Obviously you can argue that it's not something that would typically be associated with rape (for example, GLSL isn't typically construed as a rape joke), but you seem to be having a bit of a tiff with Battuta about that now. Suffice to say, you've never been raped. At least you're not arguing that it wouldn't be that bad if you were.

Your minds just cannot seem to comprehend that if someone disagrees with you that it can be for a different reason to that person being a sexist. You're always looking for sexism, so you think you keep finding it in places it is not there.

Also I want to take this time to point out that rape isn't wholly a female thing. Plenty of men get raped/sexually assaulted/sexually harassed too, but statistically it's skewed so much more in the female direction. So just keep that in mind.

[StarSlayer]

This is a major industry presentation that is a keystone in their marketing program to launch an important piece of hardware.  Everything has been practiced before hand, its very likely been crafted by a marketing team.  Big firms like Microsoft do not run these things like some off the cuff variety show. 

You think official presentations for SharePoint, Visual Studio or the latest version of Windows are done completely extemporaneously?  Is it not obvious to you that this presentation was a skit with a theme?

[General Battuta]

See, I did not even know there was any such strong association (if there even is). So maybe I am an big anomaly. Or it is not true and this phrase is strongly associated with rape maybe in feminist and rape survivor circles, while not being so in general.

Going with conservative numbers, 25% of college age women are rape survivors, so these are not small circles.

Uhm, you do realize this was a gaming multiplayer fight? I think context points to this phrase being a part of game-related taunting, not rape or sexims, if anything.

This is exactly why the context points to this being a rape joke. Have you used voice chat in a competitive multiplayer game recently? If you have, wait until a female player logs on. Observe.

More than that, the power dynamic of the situation is already charged - the fight is scripted so that the male presenter dominates the female presenter, who is bad at the game and (lol) lacks a Fight Stick (hahahahaha). Trash talk in this situation is going to draw on that context, in much the same way that any piece of communication draws on context.

[Lorric]

The woeful inability of you (and by that I mean the whole trio) to judge me and my motivations time and time again gives me zero confidence in your ability to judge others and theirs.

Look at Polpolion, ask me questions, instead of making judgements.

Wait, am I supposed to judge you or ask you questions? I did ask you questions, and you're refusing to answer them. I can only conclude that you're an insensitive prick. Not associating the joke with rape or not being offended by it doesn't make you sexist or an asshat per se, but insisting that it can't be interpreted in that way can, which is tacitly what you're doing. Obviously you can argue that it's not something that would typically be associated with rape (for example, GLSL isn't typically construed as a rape joke), but you seem to be having a bit of a tiff with Battuta about that now. Suffice to say, you've never been raped. At least you're not arguing that it wouldn't be that bad if you were.

Your minds just cannot seem to comprehend that if someone disagrees with you that it can be for a different reason to that person being a sexist. You're always looking for sexism, so you think you keep finding it in places it is not there.

Also I want to take this time to point out that rape isn't wholly a female thing. Plenty of men get raped/sexually assaulted/sexually harassed too, but statistically it's skewed so much more in the female direction. So just keep that in mind.

Huh? I answered you. I told you I didn't think it was a rape joke. Oh, and if you're wondering, if I thought it was, I would join you in condemning it. If I happened to be in the company of someone who had had that line uttered to them by a rapist, I wouldn't use it.

I was saying you asked me a question, rather than going and assuming stuff about me like Battuta did. I was saying a good thing about you. Maybe you could have gone and assumed I thought it was a rape joke and thought it was alright, but you didn't, you asked.

Yes, I am aware of the fact males can be raped too. I had plenty of outrage about that mocked male victim a while back.

[Lorric]

This is a major industry presentation that is a keystone in their marketing program to launch an important piece of hardware.  Everything has been practiced before hand, its very likely been crafted by a marketing team.  Big firms like Microsoft do not run these things like some off the cuff variety show. 

You think official presentations for SharePoint, Visual Studio or the latest version of Windows are done completely extemporaneously?  Is it not obvious to you that this presentation was a skit with a theme?

I wouldn't know about the examples you've mentioned. I've never seen one.

It says in the article that all this is derived from that Microsoft say it was unscripted. But even if I hadn't seen that, I would have thought it was unscripted. Unscripted behaviour can be a useful tool, if you've got someone comfortable with taking the stage and just reacting to the audience. I just think the fight itself was unscripted. The players in the game were scripted. What happened after was scripted. But I believe they just went at it in the fight.

[The E]

Aaaand another feminism topic killed.

Looking forward to the next one, where we will see this exact same discussion again.

[General Battuta]

You continue to insist that people are making assumptions about you when one of your first acts on this website was to write out and illustrate a rape fantasy.

[Zacam]

Right. Because you two are being oh so adult in handling the situation with any sort of grace.