[Gee1337]

@ Fury

Nothing I have said is incorrect though, so it is not "poor" advice.

If an 8350 can be competitive with an i5 4690 for much less due to DirectX 12, then that is a no brainer.

Did you miss the part where I said, "Wait until more benchmarks have come out for DirextX 12 before deciding."
Did you miss the part where I said, "Spend a bit cheaper now for future upgrade is an option."
Did you miss the part where I said, "If you don't want to wait, overclock or upgrade, then get an Intel."
Did you miss the part where the OP said, "I will be multi-tasking."
Did you miss the part where I said, "An AMD buyout by Samsung would not be bad thing and I hope it happens."
Did you miss the part where I said, "I am trying to give the OP options depending on his needs."
Did you miss the video I posted on that thread regarding the TDP discussion in desktops?
Did you miss the part where I said, "Do not go higher than an 8370."
Did you miss the part where I said, "I can't afford to go for Intel chips."
Did you miss the part where I said, "I would prefer to spend an extra £100 on a GPU than a CPU when gaming."
Did you miss the parts I listed that he get for £1035? There wasn't even an AMD part in that list!

Everything I have said is based on research.

Would you like another video?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvLRZxRL8N8

What happened with the i5 3750K when it used X Split compared to the 8350 when playing Crysis? Okay, this was a couple of years ago, but the point is still relevant. Here's what happened:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eu8Sekdb-IE

Once again, I am not trying to sway the OP one way or the other. I am trying to give him options based on what his needs are!

If I had the money, I would go all out and get the top end kit which does mean Intel, but probably an AMD GPU. I tend to upgrade every 18 months or so, so I do not have to spend £1500 every 3 years or so because a lump sum like that would end up being needed for something else like work on my house, car, a holiday, xmas or children. The list I posted for £1035 didn't even include an aftermarket cooler.

The last piece of advice I gave the OP was to see if he could wait a while, to see if the release of DirectX 12 could drive down the price on the Intel chips should he wish to go for one. The OP would ideally like to spend £1000 (could push to £1500) and he needs a full box build. If he games, and gets an Intel, he is not going to be able to spend as much on a GPU which is more important for gaming.

Is that really bad advice?
Is it bad to try to save someone money so they can buy a better part for cheaper and spend more money on a different part?

I'm so sorry that I telling people not to discount AMD offends the Intel fanbase. Call me a fanboy all you want, but to Intel fanboys all I have to say is "Intel compiler", and remember what kind of company you pour your money into! The truth is that I chose my parts based on a price/performance ratio because that matters; and what I save on the CPU I can then spend on a GPU because that matters!

When it comes to GPUs, I have absolutely no bias as I have had good and bad experiences with ATi/AMD and NVidia. Currently, I use an NVidia which the link I posted earlier shows that it is more suited on an AMD cpu! Go figure.

[Fury]

You're awfully quick to resort to throwing "fanboy" and "fanbase" words around, shame on you.

AMD 900 series chipsets are grossly outdated by today's standards. That alone takes FX CPUs out of the equation for anyone who wants to build a modern computer. On the assumption that DX12 gives AMD bigger advantage than Intel at lower price points, that's great, but it does not magically make the 900 series chipset modern. Not only that, but the FX CPUs are two CPU generations behind of what AMD has, so they don't even offer the best AMD could offer.

All that said, if outdated motherboard and poor single-thread performance won't bother you and you absolutely need 8 threads for cheaper than an i7, then sure go for AMD.

Oh and by the way, there is no guarantee that if Samsung or any other company for that matter buys AMD, is not buying AMD for its patents and other intellectual property and then selling off physical assets. Those patents and other IP are more valuable to most other companies than laptop/desktop/server markets that AMD is already having trouble keeping.

I for one hope that AMD miraculously recovers starting next year with its Zen-based CPU and APU lineups and new motherboard chipsets, because a buyout would cast even murkier future over AMD than what it currently has.

And before you accuse me for being Intel fanboy, I am not. I very much like AMD for its business practices compared to Intel and especially NVIDIA. I hate NVIDIA, yet I own GeForce GTX 970. When I am looking to buy a new product, I have to base my decision on cold facts of today, not what if's of the unforeseeable future.

[CP5670]

Yeah, there is practically no reason to get an AMD processor for games. As I said earlier, if you want to save money, that Pentium is $70 and better than anything AMD offers at that price. It will take years for DX12 to be mainstream, by which time all of these low end processors would be outdated anyway.

What happened with the i5 3750K when it used X Split compared to the 8350 when playing Crysis? Okay, this was a couple of years ago, but the point is still relevant. Here's what happened:-

This is not a typical use case though. How often does anyone encode video and play a high end game at the same time? The 8350 is better for encoding/streaming, but unless you're actually doing that more often than regular gaming, it doesn't make sense to buy it for that.

[T-Man]

Pardon mild necrothreadage. I just realised I never did pass on the news and say thanks to everyone (massive apologies for that); I recently was able to get the new rig (and am in fact typing this message from it).

I did decide to go with a self-build in the end as Gee and other's recommended, since the advice here from Gee and E made me feel a lot more confident choosing what I needed, and we reckoned I could with the budget and that knowledge get a PC that'd be slightly better and last longer. That Dell would've been a darn good PC, but likely would've needed an upgrade not long down the line which would've negated any saving from the deal.

Below is what we ended up with (pardon for pic admins, have nowhere to plonk them at the moment). 850W PSU (recalled your warning E about power bottlenecking so went with a beefy one), i7 Haswell motherboard ('MSI Gaming 5' it's apparently called) with a GTX980. 16GB of RAM in it, plus the 4GB for graphics the card has built in. Plonked a small SSD for running the OS (Win 10 Pro, which I've liked so far must confess).

It runs FS_Open full-blast like a bloody dream ('Icarus' looks so weird without stutter, all the ships are so slow) and got Unreal on there fine.

Wanted to pass on a genuine thanks for people here who advised for giving their time (E and Gee especially); had actually been largely unemployed till very recently so this had literal years of savings (and in fact all of my savings) banked on it and didn't really know what to do about it. Ended up feeling quite confident buying it, which is a rare feeling for me (am an over-thinker and paranoid as heck, for the record ). I'm hoping over the next few years to get into games work, and get a little more active on HLP (realised recently I've been here for over a decade and contributed zilch compared to some ), so I reckon this rig will serve me well for that.

Cheers again.


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[Rodo]

I read your post and think "overkill".
Then again, I did bought myself what could have been considered a somewhat "overkill" pc a few years back and I must say it was indeed a good investment.

You'll have that monster running for years without a problem at all. Congrats!