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Offline Stryke 9

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Anyway. I'm not particularly opposed to war in the abstract. I know of a handful of causes I'd be willing to kill and die to further. I am, however, opposed to drafts and getting relatively neutral parties involved, such as civilians. Unless you're thoroughly willing to fight and die for the particular cause you're fighting and dying for, you have no business in a war.

 

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Surpirsingly enough, I have to disagree with that statement there. While I dislike killing (and thank God I haven't run into a situation yet where I've had to), my disagreement comes partially from the stupid translation mix-up of the 6th Commandment, "You shall not murder." Which is often understood as "You shall not kill," an entirely diffrerent act.


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but okay, open-mindedness, you let other people do whatever as long as they don't bug you about it. like, with the whole genocide example. what if you're the one up for genocide? or your family? and so you kill someone first so they won't kill you and then everyone jumps on you for killing someone- in self-defence, though, you tell them, but they're not going to listen to that, are they? not when you've _killed_ someone.
did that make sense?
and as for land-grabbing war, that's a stereotype too. what if there's so many people in your country that you're fighting to breathe, andthere's this great empty country next to you- hey, no one's using it!- but they won't let you in? isn't that just greediness? Or not?
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Room for one more opinion? Here goes:

To kill a person is always wrong, no matter what the circumstances.
Sometimes it can't be avoided; world isn't perfect, we meet the limits of our capabilities.
Then we just have to find a way to live with it - the rest of our lives.
But trying to explain the wrong-doing away or 'convert' it into a positive thing.. to me it sounds like an attempt to uphold a self-portrait that probably never was true.

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Originally posted by castor
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I do think that it is stupid to try and justify a "wrongdoing," but that is because no justification is needed. To do wrong is to do right. :D

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