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Are commercial mods sellouts?

Yes, they're sellouts.
3 (33.3%)
No, they're fine.
4 (44.4%)
Yes and no (Please state why)
2 (22.2%)

Total Members Voted: 9

Voting closed: September 25, 2002, 06:04:06 am

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Offline Styxx

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Originally posted by CP5670
There has not really been any real communist nation in history so far; as wEvil said, the so-called "communist" nations were/are for the most part just controlled by power-hungry dictators. :p


So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.

;) :D
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Offline Nico

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Back on topic... :nervous:

User mods are different from expansion packs in that expansion packs often are made by the original designers with some fan submissions, include source code modifications, and are officially supported. Example: Silent Threat vs. a user made campaign with a few mods.


usually, as you say. couter exemple:
hellfire for diablo.
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Offline wEvil

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Originally posted by Styxx


So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.

;) :D



should that be:

Work-Your-Ass-Off-and-corporate-aristocracy-gets-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-rewards, greed-rules-it-all capitalism.

 

Offline Styxx

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Originally posted by wEvil
should that be:

Work-Your-Ass-Off-and-corporate-aristocracy-gets-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-rewards, greed-rules-it-all capitalism.


If that's how it is wherever you live, that's not my problem. :D
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Offline CP5670

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So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view. Until then, I'll stick with good, old, work-your-ass-off-and-get-the-benefits, lazy-bastards-get-screwed, maket-rules-it-all capitalism.


There have not been any real communist nations so far, but I am fairly certain that we will see them arise sometime before the end of humanity. Anyway, there will not be any "lazy bastards" if you make everyone work by force. :D

 

Offline wEvil

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If that's how it is wherever you live, that's not my problem. :D


bad capitalist!  *smack*

 

Offline Styxx

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There have not been any real communist nations so far, but I am fairly certain that we will see them arise sometime before the end of humanity.

Like I care. I asked for practical examples. :p

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Anyway, there will not be any "lazy bastards" if you make everyone work by force. :D

Noone will work at their full potential that way, either. :rolleyes:
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bad capitalist!  *smack*


Ouch!
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Offline Stunaep

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so.... Am i the only nationalist here? :D
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Offline CP5670

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Like I care. I asked for practical examples. :p


I answered that twice: there are none so far. This is all theory.

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Noone will work at their full potential that way, either. :rolleyes:


We do not need anyone to do that; the fact is that everyone will be working at the same rate (a rate much closer to full potential than zero capacity), and thus the average production will be greater than it would be otherwise.

Besides, there is really no reason that people will not work to their full capacity just because of this; make them work or die. :D

 

Offline Styxx

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I answered that twice: there are none so far. This is all theory.

And that's why your statements remain completely meaningless. It was tried. It didn't work. End of story. :p

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We do not need anyone to do that; the fact is that everyone will be working at the same rate (a rate much closer to full potential than zero capacity), and thus the average production will be greater than it would be otherwise.

Tsk, tsk. From your assumptions, a capitalist society would still be a lot more productive. :p

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Besides, there is really no reason that people will not work to their full capacity just because of this; make them work or die. :D

Oh, really? Gee, talk about new concepts. :rolleyes:


Face it, communism (and socialism, for that matter) are stupid social concepts for people who can't stand the reality of a world where only your skills and effort guarantee your survival. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. The only situation where a socialist system would work properly is one where any and all production is completely automated, relieving human beings from the need to work. In any other situation, it is not only impractical, it is impossible.


Oh, and let's stop this. Back to topic, or the thread gets owned. ;)
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Communism; Capitalism; I dont like either.;)


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Offline phreak

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community doing mod for money = bad (ala HL:CS) - it is good if you can get the mod for free if you pay for the game.  If you have standalone CS, you should be shot anyways.

company doing mod for money = good (ala HL:OpFor)
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Offline CP5670

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And that's why your statements remain completely meaningless. It was tried. It didn't work. End of story.


Remind me when it was tried. :p

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Tsk, tsk. From your assumptions, a capitalist society would still be a lot more productive.


How so?

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Oh, really? Gee, talk about new concepts.


so...what is your point? :rolleyes:

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Face it, communism (and socialism, for that matter) are stupid social concepts for people who can't stand the reality of a world where only your skills and effort guarantee your survival. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. The only situation where a socialist system would work properly is one where any and all production is completely automated, relieving human beings from the need to work. In any other situation, it is not only impractical, it is impossible.


Actually, the same could be said about capitalism: capitalism is a stupid social concept for people who can't stand the reality of a holistic universe and who attempt to differentiate between themselves and their surroundings. A regime of - and for - cowards and incompetents, if you want a better analogy. :D

Besides, all production is completely automated even now, and has always been so; the humans are the automatons, and by using the right methods, they can be controlled and herded easily. If you like freedom, become an anarchist or something, but capitalism is something in between that does not take the good parts of either extreme.

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Oh, and let's stop this. Back to topic, or the thread gets owned.


but I like this better! :p :D But I have to go now, so I will let wEvil carry this on. :D

But anyway, what exactly is a "sellout?"
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I have created a new thread for capitalism vs communism discussions.;)


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I have created a new thread for capitalism vs communism discussions.;)


Stargazer.


I've already PMed CP. This kind of derailment shouldn't happen, and I'll make sure of that. ;)
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Offline Vertigo1

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Getting back on topic....

No I don't think they're sellouts.  I'd only consider it a sellout if it didn't benefit the community in some way.
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Offline Unknown Target

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Yes, please. Bring this topic back on track.

 

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Offline Stryke 9

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Originally posted by Styxx


So, show me a single practical example of a working communist society and maybe I'll change my view.


Cuba. Nearly a first-world nation, richest in the region despite near total lack of native resources, world-famous medical establishment cosiderably superior to the US's, competent leader demonstrated willing to risk life and limb to protect his cause, unlike certain "leaders" who just send a bunch of poor farmboys off to die while they make proclamations about freedom and justice, no known Starbucks or Temptation Island equivalents.

Any further requests?


Oh, and no. Bad. Mods are by the community, for the community, and, no matter how good, not worth much of anything, anyway. Most people learned to use their programs on here, and to charge money for something you wouldn't be able to make without your customer's help is the basest form of ingratitude. If someone tried people would steal a copy and distribute it freely, and serves them right. I'd probably send them a virus, too, and still serves them right.

Selling full-detail models online generally is a different story, but no.