[diamondgeezer]

And this is why computer nerds like our an0n here don't run the country

[an0n]

If I ran the country, it really would be a utopia.

All leaders nowadays are either crazy or too troubled by keeping everyone happy that no-one ends up happy. For example, the NHS needs cash, right? So cut off the dole and let the free-loaders either find a job or starve. But no, we can't do that, because then all the free-loaders would vote for the other guy next time round. Eventually it'll just end up like Jamaica was/is with rival parties killing each other because the leaders have promise their supporters wealth and power and the opposition death and fire.

Democracy doesn't ****ing work!

[IceFire]

Originally posted by an0n
If I ran the country, it really would be a utopia.

By running around ensuring that everyone was the perfect human being and exterminating the rest?

I don't think that should be a government policy at all.  Thats way too much control in entirely the wrong hands.  The decision to abort a child I believe rests largely in the hands of those who are directly involved.  I think there should be some guidelines...such as abortion isn't a method of birth control and so on.  So we have those directly involved and a family doctor or specialist.

Systematic extermination and sterilization is not a solution by any means.

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by an0n
Pfff. By allowing all the deaf, blind and stupid people to grow old and breed we're just polluting the gene pool. Natural selection got us electronics, understanding of the atom and up into space, so why in God's name would we abandon it so easily.

That depends on your moral view of things.  I would argue that God's blessing allowed us to do all those things.  And as the author of life, God wants us to preserve human life.

If you take God out of the picture, you could argue (similar to the abortion argument) that all life is intrinsicly valuable and that we have a moral obligation to allow everyone a chance at life.

Not only should disabled people be killed (right up until their natural death)

their parents (and thus their defective genes) should either be killed or neutered

So some lives are more valuable than others?  Who are you to say that?

Unless they've got some miraculous genetic factor which would allow them to significantly contribute (ala Stephen Hawkins).

You expose the fallacy of your argument here.  How would we have known if we hadn't attempted to preserve his life?

Similarly, there's that "would you have aborted Beethoven" story, which may be urban legend (not quite sure) but is still something to think about.

Killing cripples will create a utopia.

Not for them.

And everyone is a hypocrite.

No argument there.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Sandwich
I agree, but then again I'm against abortion in general.

...And don't try to stick me with that "rape pregnancies" crap - there are _plenty_ of people in the world who are dying to adopt.

Abortion = murder

[01010]

Originally posted by Blue Lion


So will an egg and sperm

That's like the Bill Hicks skit...

"...whole universes have gone crusty in my navel..."

[ZylonBane]

Originally posted by Stealth
Abortion = murder

A compelling argument. I propose this counterpoint:

Abortion != murder.



If a woman who's firmly pro-life is pregnant, then has a miscarriage, does she insist on a funeral? After all, from her POV a "real" person just died.

[an0n]

Originally posted by Goober5000
So some lives are more valuable than others?  Who are you to say that?

~-=™! Yes, they are. And why should I not be allowed to dictate life and/or death? Are you saying that just because someone get 51% of the population to vote for them that THEY should be allowed to dictate who lives or dies through laws and wars? **** that. I have as much, if not more, right to play God than most others. !™=-~

You expose the fallacy of your argument here.  How would we have known if we hadn't attempted to preserve his life?

~-=™! Because the genetic tests that exposed the deformities would also have brought to light the super-genius and therefore Cripple+Genius=Normal/Acceptable !™=-~

Similarly, there's that "would you have aborted Beethoven" story, which may be urban legend (not quite sure) but is still something to think about.

~-=™! But Beethoven had sufficiently strong genetics to fight off tuberculosis, therefore he has desirable genetic traits and thus would have been allowed to breed with a person whose genetic structures showed a strong chance of negating his deafness. !™=-~

Not for them.

~-=™! If you believe ni heaven it will. And if you don't then all life is worthless anyway so, kill 'em. !™=-~

No argument there.

~-=™! Oh the irony. !™=-~

[Goober5000]

Originally posted by ZylonBane
If a woman who's firmly pro-life is pregnant, then has a miscarriage, does she insist on a funeral? After all, from her POV a "real" person just died.

Not a funeral, but often they have a wake or some similar remembrance.  They're often heartbroken that they've lost the baby.

Originally posted by an0n
Why should I not be allowed to dictate life and/or death?

You're not God.  QED.

I have as much, if not more, right to play God than most others.

No one who is not God has a right to play God.

Because the genetic tests that exposed the deformities would also have brought to light the super-genius and therefore Cripple+Genius=Normal/Acceptable

Well now you're making another judgement call.  How do we decide what is valuable to society and thus worth keeping?

If you believe ni heaven it will.

True, but at the same time, everyone deserves a shot at life.

[CP5670]

an0n: some good ideas there, but by the time society becomes a really integrated unit like this, science will have progressed far enough so that you can just have your cloning vats generate whatever types of humans are wanted for the whole.

Abortion = murder

Actually, here is another equally true statement:

breaking up a mound of dirt = murder

Modern science is always advancing, and I'm sure that the premature stage at which a baby is born and is able to be kept alive is getting earlier and earlier with new technologies, etc. So does that define when a fetus is considered to be a "real" human - when it's possible to keep them alive, with all modern medicine can do to help, outside the womb? And such an age would have to be constantly redefined as time goes on, of course. Which, to me, makes it total nonsense.

Ah, I think you have caught on here. Now keep following up this argument further up and see what you get; at some point, humans will probably be able to turn dust into life, so the dust would be life too. The whole thing about life, non-life and whatever else is completely meaningless; everything is alive and and everything is dead.

[Knight Templar]

Originally Posted by Sandwich

IMHO, the Chinese have it right. Life begins at conception.

I didn't really expect anyone to respond but uh.. weren't the cinese (or maybe it was the japanesse..) the ones who killed non-male newborns?

In a (twisted, perhaps) way, an0n's logic could work, and well. Yes it may be 'cold' but only if you take it the wrong way. I think there are already to many Idiots though in the world right now that wouldn't allow it to extend to it's full potential.

[Kamikaze]

Hmm... oddly I was voicing an opinion quite similar to an0n's...

tests would be made and all 'dumb' people (don't ask me how it'll be gauged) and people with generally bad genes would be peacefully exterminated to keep a nice gene pool.
The idea also was that the killed humans would be used as food to decrease load on agriculture, but most people didn't take that policy well

On the issue of "who are you to decide who dies?" - it doesn't matter what 'morals' dictate, it's "he can, and he does"... (whether that makes said rulers arrogant, or immoral it doesn't m atter in this case)

Oh... by the way: if god really thinks people shouldn't play god, let's see him run some lightning through an0n there. (assuming he becomes world leader)

[Nuclear1]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor

EDIT: TWO THOUSAND POSTS!!

Congrats, GE.

i sure post for the wrong reasons now dont I? what? spam you say?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Kamikaze
Oh... by the way: if god really thinks people shouldn't play god, let's see him run some lightning through an0n there. (assuming he becomes world leader)

...look at the ignorance
*shakes head*

*walks away*

[Kamikaze]

Originally posted by Stealth



...look at the ignorance
*shakes head*

*walks away*

?
It was implied that playing god was somehow bad and if a god exists then god must be the one to dictate that it's "bad" right? Therefore if god is pissed off at an0n for breaking rules would he not intervene? Or does god simply not intervene in these matters?

[Blue Lion]

Originally posted by Kamikaze


?
It was implied that playing god was somehow bad and if a god exists then god must be the one to dictate that it's "bad" right? Therefore if god is pissed off at an0n for breaking rules would he not intervene? Or does god simply not intervene in these matters?

Does god intervene in ANY matter?

[Knight Templar]

I think god just fears an0n in particular. He just hasn't worked up the might..

It's like teasing a pmssed woman.. you don't screw with that. Find someplace to stay away.

[Tiara]

Eh... I am God. God of MY life.

[an0n]

Is that in any way related to KT's post?

*runs*

*ambles back*

I truly intend to do two things in my life, rule the world (or at least a small part of it which I can isolate from all outside influences till they annihilate themselves) and destroy all time and space, not just in this universe but in every alternate dimension which is discovered along the way.

So my theory is that God will let me get power, wealth and what not, maybe even become immortal, but then he'll distract me with something like the ability to master all time and space thus occupying me for the rest of eternity and stopping me from initiating my final solu....errr....goal.

[01010]

Originally posted by an0n
Is that in any way related to KT's post?

*runs*

*ambles back*

I truly intend to do two things in my life, rule the world (or at least a small part of it which I can isolate from all outside influences till they annihilate themselves) and destroy all time and space, not just in this universe but in every alternate dimension which is discovered along the way.

So my theory is that God will let me get power, wealth and what not, maybe even become immortal, but then he'll distract me with something like the ability to master all time and space thus occupying me for the rest of eternity and stopping me from initiating my final solu....errr....goal.

I spy a religion thread in the making.