[Galemp]

Originally posted by daveb
Ugh. I've had about enough of this board. The combination of rampant anti-Americanism, and ridiculous insensitivity is outrageous.

I am gone.

At least we don't hate you.

And be aware that this is an international board. We've got folks here from the US, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Denmark, Israel, Australia... and not too many people (internationally and domestically) are happy with America's politics at the moment. I don't agree with Eishtmo, and it's already obvious that most of us don't. But I hope that the wackos here won't drive you away from your fanbase.
Heck, if I had paid attention to the wackos im my life I would have been institutionalized by the time I was 14.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Corsair
and Stealth, tell your friend not to touch the debris. the official NASA statement found  at www.nasa.gov says that debris should not be touched because they could be toxic from the rocket fuel used.

my friend won't touch it, it's in the neighbor's yard... the neighbor will touch it

j/k

[Carl]

just one more NASA oopsie-daisy to tack on to their record. with all the recent problems they've been having, like that metric-english mix up, and the crashed satallite, we'll never get to Mars or Europa's Ocean

*goes to sulk*

[IceFire]

Originally posted by daveb


Ugh. I've had about enough of this board. The combination of rampant anti-Americanism, and ridiculous insensitivity is outrageous.

I am gone.

Hrmmm...HLPBB is a virtual utopia compaired to the likes of the Command & Conquer General's forums.  Go there for five minutes and you will be back singing the praises of HLP.

That being said, do show some sensitivity people.  Seven people died in a noble cause of space exploration and science.  This is not the time nor place to discuss ideological differences.

And I'll remain in service if you don't mind wEvil.  If thats ok with everyone?

[CP5670]

Wait a minute, where exactly did anyone say that they hate the US? I must have missed that completely.

I do agree that everybody's making too big a fuss about seven people dying, what about the other thousands that died today?

Exactly; there are millions dying every day just from causes not related to "natural" aging, but that does not mean that people should spend their entire life crying, and these are fairly small numbers when you consider the total populations and rates of increase anyway. Instead of sitting and mourning on a tragedy, let us learn from it and look to the future.

But whenever something bad happens, for some reason everybody just says they hate the US. Maybe we should just site back, stop giving military support, watch communism take over, stop giving food to poor countries, watch everybody starve, and stop exploring space for the good of mankind.

Actually, the easiest way to just get rid of everything is to nuke the world for the "good of mankind."

[Fetty]

btw havent they allmost completly overhauled the columbia in 2001 ?

[Stealth]

Originally posted by IceFire


And I'll remain in service if you don't mind wEvil.  If thats ok with everyone?

[LtNarol]

Columbia was NASA's first shuttle, the first one into orbit; even if not for the loss of 7 astronauts, the loss of the shuttle itself is a tragedy.  There's also a difference between the loss of 7 astronauts and 7 dozen idiots who manage to choke to death on their own food.

[kode]

Originally posted by LtNarol
Columbia was NASA's first shuttle, the first one into orbit; even if not for the loss of 7 astronauts, the loss of the shuttle itself is a tragedy.  There's also a difference between the loss of 7 astronauts and 7 dozen idiots who manage to choke to death on their own food.

not reallyl. the astronauts knew the risk. you don't even considdering that your next dinner might be the dinner that kills you.

I didn't know these people. And frankly, I couldn't care less about them. No, not because I haet USA, but because there is still wars, famine, diesease etcetera around the world, and we should be more concerned about the millions of people that are suffering and dying daily, than 7 persons that propably died pretty instantly.

But I guess I'm an anti-american ****tard for expressing my opinions on this matter.

[Whitelight]

Well not everyone here is in-sensitive..
There are a few, but you have to take in account that some of the members are sensitive to this post and can feel the full weight and pain of what happened...

[kode]

well... I do care. in proportion to every other bad thing that happens daily.

[CP5670]

I think that this is more important than the million deaths, but not so much because of the loss of the people as much as that of the shuttle and, more importantly, the future impact it will have on the space program as a whole. People are easier to reproduce than shuttles.

[kode]

well, duh! a shuttles worth can be listed in money, the life of a man/woman can not. would you really say that the life of your mother is less important than that of a cold war relic such as the space program? then you are a machine, and not a human being.

[ShadowWolf_IH]

I'm sorry if i am wrong......but it seems to me that a few bad things have happened.

the shuttle blew up......setting back our space program
people died as a result.....
a couple thousand others died elsewhere at the same moment probably.

so let me ask ya......when did this thread become everyone's favorite pissing hole?  take your petty arguements elsewhere.  If not out of respect for people who have died, then for those who are alive and well and on the thread.  You don't have to give a rat's ass about the people who died in this or 9-11.  You don't have to give a **** about the shuttle.  But do the rest of us a favor and can the stupid arguements.  I read this thread this morning and it was about a shuttle blowing up, i come back 4 hours later and it's about seeing who can piss farthest.  Whether you care about what happened today or not......Give it a rest.

[deep_eyes]

read:

TIME.com: What are the immediate implications for the space program of Saturday's disaster?

JK: Following the precedent of the Challenger disaster in 1986, it's unlikely that NASA will undertake any further shuttle missions or any other manned space flights for the next two years. One immediate problem, though, is the International Space Station, which currently has a crew of three on board. They might consider one further flight to bring that crew home — the other option would be for them to return aboard a Russian Soyuz craft, which isn't the most comfortable or the safest ride. Beyond that, however, the space station is likely to be left unoccupied for a long time. NASA won't want to use the shuttle again until it can establish the cause of today's accident, and fix it. Now that we've lost two shuttles out of a fleet of five, it's even conceivable that the shuttle won't fly again. The shuttle was built as a space truck, and then the International Space Station was built to give it something to do. Both programs are likely to suffer as a result of this disaster.

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me thinks this gonna cause problems for the space programs abroad civilian and government. but this isnt going to stop them from continuing... but it sucks that those people went out that way, if anyone watches the video, a front portion of the vapor flume coming off the hull of the shuttle, "pop'd", and then the break up occured... i can only imagine what they saw or felt when it happened... but being as how the shuttle was the oldest out of a fleet of 5, it shouldnt have been put into circulation even though they had a minimum mission life span of 100 missions. thats unrealistic, i mean the technology of this shuttle was just recently retrofitted. the newer shuttles have the same technology persay if not better, but the fact that this buisness is so risky, they should reconsider changing the system of life span for there ships until they are improved drasticly...

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btw daveb, i agree with ur comment, but realize that this is what the forum is for, that lil ol' amendment that says they cans peak there minds, weather or not they from the US or not.

[CP5670]

I don't think it was directly a result of the retrofitting though, since the shuttle had already gone through a couple of successful missions since then.

well, duh! a shuttles worth can be listed in money, the life of a man/woman can not. would you really say that the life of your mother is less important than that of a cold war relic such as the space program? then you are a machine, and not a human being.

From a social point of view, of course; it should be independent of any one man's "opinion." (even if I care that my mother died, it would not really make a big difference in the whole system objectively speaking) And anything can be listed in money according to its demand in the economy.

[Turnsky]

albeit columbia was the first shuttle in orbit, the first shuttle was it's prototype "enterprise"  challenger was caused by faulty O-rings on the top of one of the booster rockets.

incidently, as far as i'm concerned race,country, beliefs don't come into this. the fact is that seven people died today that the world acknoledges and has seen on television throughout the whole world (as in 9/11) i know that many more probably died today through no fault of their own. at least this was over quickly.. the challenger crew didn't have that luxury..

what gets me the most is that there may be a little anti-american/british/australian sentiment goin' round at the moment you can't judge a people just because of their political leaders and their ideals.

[Falcon X]

I have to agree with daveb.  And I'm not talking about anti-americanism... I'm talking about sensitivity.

BTW for all you guys who are *****ing about war and poverty, get off your fat ass's, stop making mods to a dead game, and go do something with your lives that WILL help the problems that you cite everyday.

In other words:  PUT UP OR SHUT UP.

[kode]

Originally posted by ShadowWolf_IH
I'm sorry if i am wrong......but it seems to me that a few bad things have happened.

the shuttle blew up......setting back our space program
people died as a result.....
a couple thousand others died elsewhere at the same moment probably.

so let me ask ya......when did this thread become everyone's favorite pissing hole?  take your petty arguements elsewhere.  If not out of respect for people who have died, then for those who are alive and well and on the thread.  You don't have to give a rat's ass about the people who died in this or 9-11.  You don't have to give a **** about the shuttle.  But do the rest of us a favor and can the stupid arguements.  I read this thread this morning and it was about a shuttle blowing up, i come back 4 hours later and it's about seeing who can piss farthest.  Whether you care about what happened today or not......Give it a rest.

well well.... freedom of speech, baby. sometimes I wonder if you really have it. I know you brag about it. But do you really want it? the way I see it, it means that all peoples opinions are of equal value, and everyone has the right to express them. But when people disagreeing with your bunch, you try to take this freedom away from me. but guess what, you can't. It's been in the constitution of my country for about as long time as your country has existed. And as I have stated, I do give a rat's ass about this shuttle crasch, but I happen to give more of a rat's ass about other things that also doesn't affect me. And I can not not give a rat's ass about 11/9, because I see and read everyday about US war mongering to "stop global terrorism" and put your flag on top of every flag pole in every middle eastern/south asian country. what your government is doing is raping the rest of the world, under gunpoint. Why should I have to take not being allowed by you to express my opinions on this? Oh, wait... it offends you. Too bad you can't allow only your opinions and suppress others without it not being freedom of speech any longer, huh?

[kode]

Originally posted by CP5670
I don't think it was directly a result of the retrofitting though, since the shuttle had already gone through a couple of successful missions since then.



From a social point of view, of course; it should be independent of any one man's "opinion." (even if I care that my mother died, it would not really make a big difference in the whole system objectively speaking) And anything can be listed in money according to its demand in the economy.

so, tell me exactly why spending billions of dollars on launching a few people into space is better than having the economy up to speed again to create jobs for people, and thus giving millions of homeless people a chance to get out of the streets and making a decent living, and having somewhere to live? I believe that the money thrown into space would be better spent here on earth. oh, wait... that is communistic. damn.