[Tiara]

Originally posted by Warlock
Ok how the hell can ppl sit here and agree Sadam needs to be removed yet not agree with force ? I mean do you really believe he'd just up and leave ? Sad thing is he's been given that option.

I totally agree that he should be removed. And with force if necessary. BUT the way the United States have handled this is just stupid and ignorant. they will lose more then gain.

I am just pointing out that if the US had waited till solid proof was there for weapons and **** then they'd have a legit reason to attack and not causing an international breakdown of security and alliances.

And Iraq had enough time to prepare before, a few months more wouldn't matter. But they were too impatient. Hence the hostilities towards the United States. They just didn't think when they did this.

And for that whole "The US needs to let the UN do it's job and handle this" mess,. .. what 12 years isn't enough time ? Shall we wait until 3000 for Sadam to disarm ?

When and IF solid proof of severe violations are found in Iraq then an attack is warranted. But so far no severe things have been seen that warrants a war that will kill more peoiple then Saddam would in 10 years. Iraq is NOT a threat to anyone at the moment.

But seriously, I've got more respect for Bush simply because of the speech last night were he poointed out the Iraqi army will be given ways to avoid being targetted. Everyone loves to whine about Bush is after Oil and just invading Iraq, yet completely misses the fact we don't want to kill anyone we don't have to.

Bush will never have my respect.

Then again reading the last few pages that appeared over night,...I see most practice of selective hearing/reading.

I am merely pointing out why the US is wrong on this particular matter. They have been right as well. I will never deny that, but now they have acted in a wrong manner. Therefor I I have only said what I have said.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Pera


Wow.

"Hey you! Give us your oil freely and we don't have to kill you."

This man is clearly a saint. I stand in awe of his immense goodness.

Are you normally ignorant ? It's been said many times that the Oil is Iraq's and that it will be used to rebuild Iraq afterwards. Bush said it, Blair said it, wtf you want God himself to say it ?  

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Tiara
I totally agree that he should be removed. And with force if necessary. BUT the way the United States have handled this is just stupid and ignorant. they will lose more then gain.

I am just pointing out that if the US had waited till solid proof was there for weapons and **** then they'd have a legit reason to attack and not causing an international breakdown of security and alliances.

And Iraq had enough time to prepare before, a few months more wouldn't matter. But they were too impatient. Hence the hostilities towards the United States. They just didn't think when they did this.

The US is the only one that wants this eh ? I guess Brittain doesn't count ?

When and IF solid proof of severe violations are found in Iraq then an attack is warranted. But so far no severe things have been seen that warrants a war that will kill more peoiple then Saddam would in 10 years. Iraq is NOT a threat to anyone at the moment.

Part of losing DS was he had to show PROOF that he's disarmed. The fact that a country that writes down everything has nothing, repeat nothing, to show the weapons have been disarmed is a violation.

Bush will never have my respect.

Which from what I read is most of the reason you disagree with everything the US has done/said.

[Tiara]

Which from what I read is most of the reason you disagree with everything the US has done/said.

I'm sorry, but I think you read someone elses posts. I stated the reasons multiple times. I couldn't care if God himself did this. i'd say it would be WRONG.

It is not about 1 man, its about the entire world. This is what most people forget.

Its not about Saddam, not about Bush, not about you and not about me. Its about all of us. And going to war without proof or support of the rest of the world (besides England and Spain) is something that will have major repurcussions.

[Pera]

Originally posted by Warlock


Are you normally ignorant ? It's been said many times that the Oil is Iraq's and that it will be used to rebuild Iraq afterwards. Bush said it, Blair said it, wtf you want God himself to say it ?  

Hey, they don't take the oil, they just plant in a government which sells the oil to them. Right now countries like France and Russia have contracts to buy oil from Iraq, and US wants them too.

What, you thought France and Russia were against the war because they like peace? Sheesh, the people want peace, war is always ok to governments as long as they benefit from it, but when they don't, they suddenly become peace-loving angels.

There are not many things I hate as much as hypocrisy, and currently the leaders US, Britain, France etc. are so full of it their eyes are floating.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by Hades

Pearl Harbor wasn't one of our states during WWII, thus it wasn't in the US...

Oh, so what, that means if I get bombed, it's ok? I live in a U.S. territory, but I'm not a state, so if I get bombed, it's all right?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Unknown Target

Oh, so what, that means if I get bombed, it's ok? I live in a U.S. territory, but I'm not a state, so if I get bombed, it's all right?

...Don't talk like that! You can't die, you have a duty to the HLP community to write your stories.

*send UT her spare Universal Remote Detonator*

I usually use it to remotely blow off someones head when my axe can't reach it, but its also perfect for remote detonating bombs

[Warlock]

Why ? When has their been a war that had the support/ approval of most of the world aside from the two WW's ? Just how many of those in the UN have already been involved in wars of their own in the last 2 decades ? Yea War sucks, it's not the best solution, but it's the only one sometimes. It ticks me off seeing ppl here acting like the US is just jumping around giddy over going to war to "play" with Sadam. Yet we;ve given him every chance we can. Sitting back and waiting will only give him that much more time to prepare/get even more weapons/get more of those weapons into locations to strike neighboring countries/etc.

Yea all this happy happy joy joy world would be a great thing , ... but it's not the way this world is. Ppl obey laws not because it's the right thing to do,... it's because they'll get punished if they dont. Need proof ? Look at Kazaa. We all download from it. We all know it's illegal. We still do it. Why ? Because we don't fear the penalty.

It's not like we can slap a fine on Iraq for not showing proof. A simple way to look at it. If a cop pulls you over while you're driving and you don't have your Drivers License on you... you get a ticket, it's on you to prove that you have one,...not the cop,...not the court. Iraq is the same only on a much bigger scale.

[Tiara]

You do play with Saddam and you like it

You can at least TRY to make it a joy joy world

KazAa isn't illigal.

As youi have noticed, I am no longer going into detail as I've said all I wanted to say. And besides, its not like we are going to have any effect on the situation

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Pera


Hey, they don't take the oil, they just plant in a government which sells the oil to them. Right now countries like France and Russia have contracts to buy oil from Iraq, and US wants them too.

What, you thought France and Russia were against the war because they like peace? Sheesh, the people want peace, war is always ok to governments as long as they benefit from it, but when they don't, they suddenly become peace-loving angels.

There are not many things I hate as much as hypocrisy, and currently the leaders US, Britain, France etc. are so full of it their eyes are floating.

They've already said several times the replacement govnerment will be made up of iraqi people. And France, Russia, and Germany have another reason,... they also have sold parts for various weapons to Iraq. Funny we're doing all this for Oil....yet Gas prices have only gone up even more since it became a fact that we will be going to war. Hell yseterday they announced Oil prices were going down, yet gas still going up.

Heh besides if we wanted the Oil we'd have gone in long ago, or simply not have stopped in DS when we did.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Tiara
You do play with Saddam and you like it

You can at least TRY to make it a joy joy world

I thought we have You know the whole "we'll give you instructions on how to not be targetted by our military bit. I do hope folks here realize just how dangerous to US troops this is.

KazAa isn't illigal.

Since when was downloading copyrighted materials legal ?

As youi have noticed, I am no longer going into detail as I've said all I wanted to say. And besides, its not like we are going to have any effect on the situation

Finally someone sees that I've only said it since these threads first started

[Tiara]

Since when was downloading copyrighted materials legal ?

Well, Kazaa isn't illigal, the ones that put in there shared folder are the ones that are performing an illigal act. The program itsself is legit.

[Warlock]

*shrug* Depends on how you look at it. It's basically the same as Napster, Audio Galaxy, etc etc.  Point was we both know most ppl use it to gain copyrighted matieral

[Pera]

Originally posted by Warlock


They've already said several times the replacement govnerment will be made up of iraqi people.

Of course it will, but it'll still probably be a US controlled puppet. Of course I may be wrong, and I hope so. We'll see. But still, it will sell oil to US, no noubt about that.

And France, Russia, and Germany have another reason,... they also have sold parts for various weapons to Iraq.

True, who would want to lose a good trading partner. As I said, hypocrites.

Funny we're doing all this for Oil....yet Gas prices have only gone up even more since it became a fact that we will be going to war. Hell yseterday they announced Oil prices were going down, yet gas still going up.

There isn't an endless supply of oil you know? US simply wants to make sure they will have loyal oir producers in the future. After all, a lot of oil is produced in middle east, and that is not the most stable region in the world. Anything could happen.

Also, prices may actually go down after the war.

Since when was downloading copyrighted materials legal ?

It has always been legal here in Finland. Only music and movies though, downloading software is no-no.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Pera


Of course it will, but it'll still probably be a US controlled puppet. Of course I may be wrong, and I hope so. We'll see. But still, it will sell oil to US, no noubt about that.



True, who would want to lose a good trading partner. As I said, hypocrites.

 

There isn't an endless supply of oil you know? US simply wants to make sure they will have loyal oir producers in the future. After all, a lot of oil is produced in middle east, and that is not the most stable region in the world. Anything could happen.

Also, prices may actually go down after the war.



It has always been legal here in Finland. Only music and movies though, downloading software is no-no.

Well you believe the major reason is oil. I don't.

Well if it's legal there, try emailing a US film company and asking them how legal downloading their product is

[Pera]

Originally posted by Warlock
Well if it's legal there, try emailing a US film company and asking them how legal downloading their product is

As long as they get paid by gramex, I doubt they can claim it as illegal

[Sandwich]

33 and counting...

[Dark_4ce]

This is still so odd for me. Counting down the hours to war...

[Sandwich]

I just hope I'm not counting down the hours to yet another stint of reserves.

[Warlock]

Originally posted by Dark_4ce
This is still so odd for me. Counting down the hours to war...

and ppl wonder why the military hates the media so much I'm just hoping they keep to plan and don't let the media get as much information as they want,... those fools would love to be able to do silly **** like "Tonight at 10, the attack plan for tomarrow!"