[Warlock]

Just saw on CNN,....17 Iraq Soldiers have already surrendered

*insert sound-bite of Jar Jar saying "My give up! My give up!" *

[Tiara]

Ok, to set things straight. this is my opinion:

I think war IS warranted. But the way Bush has handled it with the global community makes the war unwarranted as it will only cause more hostilities, deaths, etc

IMO Bush and his companions are to blame for the anti-war movement being this big. If Bush had been more subtle then to say "War is INEVITABLE" like a year before the war actually started things would've been far better. He could've just not have been so arrogant and selfcentered.

He almost completely severed the relations with the SC. he didn't listen to a word they said besides some sparse exceptions.

It was just right out stupid diplomatic/political manouvering on the part of the US under Bush. If Bush had even an IQ of a decently educated person he'd know this.

[Warlock]

He hasn't been saying it for a year. But he wasn't niaeve (sp) enough to think Sadam would peacfully give up his weapons either. Plus Bush has repeatedly said we'd try to handle this without war and that war was the last option.

The popular Global opinion will never agree with a war. If WW2 happened in our time,...half the pplwould probably be like "But Hitler's not that bad,..lets just ask him nicely 50 times to stop killing Jews" I mean seriously ... 12 UN resultions,....not ONE of them as been followed.

Still ...nothing personal,..but everytime you try to explain how you feel about the war,... you basically come off as "I just hate Bush" again nothing personal ,.. that's just how i'm reading it.

[CP5670]

He almost completely severed the relations with the SC. he didn't listen to a word they said besides some sparse exceptions.

It was just right out stupid diplomatic/political manouvering on the part of the US under Bush. If Bush had even an IQ of a decently educated person he'd know this.

No, it was actually perfectly fine on that front and perhaps even desirable to do exactly this; making and breaking alliances at the right times is part of clever political maneuvering. Look at what I said earlier on "international relations," particularly those in recent effect, in this thread and that other one down the page. He may not be as smart as the scheming Europeans on this front, but he is still quite good.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Warlock
He hasn't been saying it for a year. But he wasn't niaeve (sp) enough to think Sadam would peacfully give up his weapons either. Plus Bush has repeatedly said we'd try to handle this without war and that war was the last option.

The popular Global opinion will never agree with a war. If WW2 happened in our time,...half the pplwould probably be like "But Hitler's not that bad,..lets just ask him nicely 50 times to stop killing Jews" I mean seriously ... 12 UN resultions,....not ONE of them as been followed.

Still ...nothing personal,..but everytime you try to explain how you feel about the war,... you basically come off as "I just hate Bush" again nothing personal ,.. that's just how i'm reading it.

Eh, ok 6 months ago he said it them

And if WWII would happen now I'd say kill Hitler

As I said in my above post I think war is warranted, but Bush screwed it over cause he quite premature with his war preaching.

And I don't hate Bush, I just think he is not fit to act as president with the power of a nation like the US. He needs a course in diplomatic relationships. Then he might learn the value of allies.

[CP5670]

And the value of enemies too. Like I said, he is not perfect at diplomatic relations (he should have ditched this whole UN nonsense back in november; that is what the EU would have done in such a situation), but he is certainly much better than you make him out to be. In the end, diplomacy is just a temporary cover for conflict, since there is no such thing as a permanent friendship in the international world.

[Warlock]

Allies ? Hmmm like Brittain ? Or perhaps Spain ? or all the other countries allowing the US to place troops as I type ?

again though all you seemed to have seen from Bush was "war preaching" did you not once hear him, normally right after a comment about war being the most likely outcome, state that a war with Iraq was the last option ?

[CP5670]

I think you had a point about just having something personal against Bush.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Warlock
Allies ? Hmmm like Brittain ? Or perhaps Spain ? or all the other countries allowing the US to place troops as I type ?

again though all you seemed to have seen from Bush was "war preaching" did you not once hear him, normally right after a comment about war being the most likely outcome, state that a war with Iraq was the last option ?

But I'm getting less and les interested what happens outside of Holland. We're just fine. Nobody cares about anyone else, why should we?

Officially, as of now, I couldn't care less if the Statue of Liberty was burned to the ground or Iraq completely and utterly destroyed and now void of any living matter.

[Warlock]

Alriiiiighty then.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Warlock
Alriiiiighty then.

I am now "Anti-anything that harms The Netherlands[/b]

[Warlock]

Well normally ppl are "Anti-anyone that ****s with my homeland"

[Tiara]

Originally posted by Warlock


Well normally ppl are "Anti-anyone that ****s with my homeland"

Well... I generally don't see anyone "****ing" with any country...

[CP5670]

I am now "Anti-anything that harms The Netherlands[/b]

Actually, haven't you been that this whole time, just in disguise?

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670


Actually, haven't you been that this whole time, just in disguise?

Yeah, but I was so misguided to think I had to protect other countries. I'm no longer being social, egotrippin' all da way!

[CP5670]

nah, you have been doing it this whole time; after all, the Europeans have been the leaders at this throughout history, so I wouldn't expect any less now.

[Styxx]

Crap.

[Warlock]

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by Warlock


and ppl wonder why the military hates the media so much I'm just hoping they keep to plan and don't let the media get as much information as they want,... those fools would love to be able to do silly **** like "Tonight at 10, the attack plan for tomarrow!"

Well...wouldn't it be amusing at least to let the media run a *false* attack plan or somesuch, which a) jacks their ratings all they want and b) makes the enemy concentrate defenses on the supposed target, and then have a strike (or several) on somewhere(s) they absolutely wouldn't expect?

Or can you even do something like that?

[Warlock]

Originally posted by JC Denton


Well...wouldn't it be amusing at least to let the media run a *false* attack plan or somesuch, which a) jacks their ratings all they want and b) makes the enemy concentrate defenses on the supposed target, and then have a strike (or several) on somewhere(s) they absolutely wouldn't expect?

Or can you even do something like that?

Only way to do this would be to lie and falsify info to the media ... and with that whole "agreement of information exchange" they've worked out with the Gov. about all this ,... they'd ***** until my grand kids get tired of hearing about it.

Still the Media as a whole is just stupid,..I'm sorry but anyone dumb enough to go stay in a targetted area, and report on bombs hitting the building beside you (back in DS),...you deserve to be killed by those same bombs.