[Liberator]

I meant to mention that, the Erinyes is an example of the same reasoning as was behind the original Herc.  However, it is governed by the neccessity of higher speed on the "modern battlefield".

[Petrarch of the VBB]

But the erinyes has the woefully small missile load.

And what's more, about the myrm's secondary load, that is small too, much too small. And it can't carry the harpoon.

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And what's more, about the myrm's secondary load, that is small too, much too small. And it can't carry the harpoon.

but it can caryy helios

[J.F.K.]

Originally posted by GalacticEmperor
Literally!

That's really corny

Those are some very perceptive points. How much thought do you think the Volition guys put into making all this stuff up, stuff like we've just been mentioning here? Or do you think they didn't think up any of it at all and this is all a coincidence, and if they were to turn up today they'd say "uhh... yeah... of course we intended all that..."?

[silverwolf]

Originally posted by Liberator
From the Herc mk1: The Name

 

i meant structure wise

[Petrarch of the VBB]

Originally posted by kasperl


but it can caryy helios

I think that is a typo. Whoever made the table meant to put harpoon, but put helios instead. Why would a space superiority fighter be able to carry a torpedo that most bombers can't?

[TopAce]

The Erinyes had been serving the alliance long before the 'impossible fight' was discovered, so it cannot be a 'research of panic'

Second SOC mission, after the Ravana is taken down.

It has eight gun banks before elites(70th Blue Lions, 99th Skulls)  surely handle primaries better than secondaries, and they can hit energy balance better because of their experience, so least shield recharge can be set in case of higher weapon recharge.

Otherwise, better speed has no use against the heat-seeking laser blasts of the Ai, so it can be used against humans only.

[StratComm]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB


I think that is a typo. Whoever made the table meant to put harpoon, but put helios instead. Why would a space superiority fighter be able to carry a torpedo that most bombers can't?

I actually think it was done for balance, it can't carry Maxims either.  The Myrmidon is fast, manuverable, strong, powerful, and has 3 secondary bays.  That's not too shabby for the standard space superiority fighter.  The Helios bug is an easter egg, it cannot be accessed in the campaign missions and is pretty much useless unless you specifically design a mission around that capability.  Otherwise the Myrmadon is too strong to be given as good a missile as the interceptor.

As for the Herc II, it really is a waste of table space.  Not good for anything except loading full of trebs and going bomber hunting.  It's too slow for its strength to be useful, and it's fire capabilities are inferior to almost any ship in the game.  Given the choice between Herc I and Herc II I'll take the Herc II because it has better compatability with the good weapons, but it's garbage compared to the other true FS2-era ships.

[Sesquipedalian]

Au contrare, mon ami.  I find the Herc II to be my fighter of choice.  When trying a new mission, I will usually start off with the fighter and loadout given me by the mission designer, but if after a while I am having any sort of difficulty, I switch to my good old Herc II, and clean up.  I hunt Dragons, Gorgons, Maras, Molochs, Demons and all with her.  All die.

[karajorma]

I agree with sesq. I prefer the Herc II over the Myrmidon by a long way. I couldn`t imagine getting through Love the Treason... in a myrm.

[Petrarch of the VBB]

The Herc II is my favourite fighter, but only with the six gun mod.

Primary Bank 1 : Kaysers
Primary Bank 2 : Maxims
Secondary Bank 1: Harpoons
Secondary Bank 2: Trebs OR Tempests

Nothing is then a threat.

[TopAce]

Das Hercules Mk II is more maneuverable, faster(slightly) than the Mk I, but its reduced laser amount is only the cost of better warhead capacity. Typically for 'Stay in the background and fire Harpoons on fighters' class missions. But as of its unmaneuveriblity it doesn't stand in an intense dogfight, or for in escaping. But has also better use in the nebula, somehow I cannot aim fine with lasers within the neb, so using Harpoons is my only hope.

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
And what's more, about the myrm's secondary load, that is small too, much too small. And it can't carry the harpoon.

And this is why the Apollo is better than the Myrmidon and the Ulysses. It can actually hold a decent number of decent missiles. If Harpoons are available, I always use them, and that's why I dislike the Myrmidon. Oh yeah, the Myrm has a big fat brightly lit ass that's easy to hit, too.

[Woolie Wool]

Wait a minute, this thread dates from March?

*smacks self*

[TopAce]

Originally posted by Petrarch of the VBB
The Herc II is my favourite fighter, but only with the six gun mod.

Primary Bank 1 : Kaysers
Primary Bank 2 : Maxims
Secondary Bank 1: Harpoons
Secondary Bank 2: Trebs OR Tempests

Nothing is then a threat.

The six gun mod is great, but there are some things I belive in why the Herc II has only four guns:

1. Smaller size
2. Better warhead capacity replaces two guns
3. Cheaper to produce the fighter itself, to outnumber the NTF's Herc I.
4. Would be too easy to fly with it.

I just want to comment it that I have never downloaded the six gunned version, so I don't know its effectiveness, I just have beliefs[or belives? Which is better in English?] about it.

You find nothing a threat? It is easy to hit, and I suppose, it has the same strength of hull, shields, and maneuveriblity. Three Harpoons are enough to blow it up, and it has no chance to evade these missiles. And countermeasuers are limited, and it has no use at all[for the Countermeasures].

[Solatar]

Believes

I'd still take a Herc 1 instead of a Herc 2.

[kasperl]

in some situations, i would too. but if speed is required, or if there are really heavy anti-fighter defences, like flak an AAA, i'd taje the Herc II, because of it's speed and slightly better armor.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool
Wait a minute, this thread dates from March?

*smacks self*

wow, you're getting good at this.

[Solatar]

Originally posted by kasperl
in some situations, i would too. but if speed is required, or if there are really heavy anti-fighter defences, like flak an AAA, i'd taje the Herc II, because of it's speed and slightly better armor.

In those sort of cases I take a Space Superiority Fighter or Interceptor.

If one isn't available, I'd still take the Herc I, as I can fit more primary firepower on it. But that's just my style.

[CP5670]

oh I remember this thread; seems pretty long ago now...

Anyway, I would usually take the H2 due to its heavier armor and much more importantly, added missile capacity; no more gun mounts are needed since loading tempests into one of those secondary banks effectively adds the power of an extra Kayser to your primaries.