[Rictor]

See this is what always happens. You talk about Iraq or about gays or something, and then when I try to expand that reasoning, and to find out, and comment on, the causes behind that reasoning, you say I'm off-topic.

If you talk about how a black man was killed by the KKK, and I launch into a discussion about human hatred in general, that is not off topic.

I'll bring up specific stuff later, just wanted to get that out of the way.

[CP5670]

okay...so explain to me how privacy laws are related to moderation and how either one is related to methods of analyzing human behavior. (I mean, they are obviously related in some way, but not very closely at all) I think what is happening is that you are mixing up the topics from our previous exchanges and the one at hand here.

The example you gave there is okay, and even your earlier topic change would be acceptable if it gradually changed over a series of posts, but this is going a little too far.

[Stryke 9]

Goober: No. That's utterly contorted explanation, which should be a tipoff right there that it's time to call it quits at least until one can come back armed with facts.

FYI, abortions were fairly common towards the end of the Middle Ages, because the male part of the equation would skip off in a hurry and the female would rather not live the remainder of her life as essentially an untouchable. Single parents weren't as common as now, but that's because the baby wouldn't live- I don't have any figures on that, so I'm not gonna pursue it, but I will point out that as soon as orphanages and such started coming around, they quickly became flooded far beyond capacity by the offspring of unwed parents.

Lack of sanitation caused teen pregnancy? Are you on crack? And "child exposure" is not the same as "infant mortality", which was extremely high besides. Child exposure is leaving the kid on the ****ing street corner, or booting the baby into the woods- intentional, not just a product of sewage in the water. It was almost universal for a long time.

And you'll find the reason for the modern prevalence of STDs in my previous posts. If you bothered to trace the origins of most of the really dangerous ones, you'll find that they were exotic imports. Things like herpes and the clap were extremely common, but they aren't likely to kill you. There are extensive references to them in Chaucer, in fact, to this effect.

You're trying to make the facts fit your preconception, and they just won't- particularly because you're not talking from research on the general subject, but just making it up as you go along. Like I said, it would definitely benefit you to check out a decently in-depth history book- you'll find that there has been little or no reduction in premarital or (particularly, since this was actually the norm) teenage sex. The latter has gone down about 90%, whereas as far as records show the former hasn't changed appreciably. Contraceptiives just mean that a given baby is 100% less likely to be murdered by its parents as a deadly social stigma.

[karajorma]

The high rate of teenage pregnancy is due not to contraception but due to poor sex education. Scandinavia and Holland have much lower rates of teen pregnancy than the rest of europe because they teach Sex ed. properly and make contraception readily available to anyone who wants it.

In America and Britain due to the "Moral Majority" we never get to teach our kids properly about sex and then raise a generation of kids who don't seem to realise that f**king without contraception = becoming a parent.

[Knight Templar]

Uh, I don't know about you, but I've had Sex ed (well actually, I've been sick [seriously ] 2 out of the 3 days we've had it ) but in high school, they require you to take a semester course on 'life skills' (bassically sex and ****ing) .

[Stryke 9]

And if it was anything like the ones I've had, the basic premise is "NO! EVIL EVIL EVIL RUN AWAY!!", eh?

[an0n]

Rictor: Not my first post. My first post was the naked-jeri-ryan map of the Elysium.

Everyone Else: Everything I posted directly regarding gays was meant (mostly) in jest. Everything regarding the 'noisy-minority' and how the law shouldn't be changed to accomodate a few malcontents is entirely serious.

The only reason homosexuality is/was illegal is because some ****ty religion (or, if you're a believer, the almighty creator of the universe) said "Being gay is wrong".

Now, I hate religion, so in that respect: **** who you want, when you want, in whatever hole you want.

However, if the Bible and other such books are truly the documentation of the will of God: Homo's should be stoned to death. And there's no use babbling on about "God will have changed his mind" because everyone knows that's all just bull**** liberal propoganda designed to force religion to change to accomodate the will of the people, no matter how corrupt, evil or immoral they wanna be.

Personally, I'm sticking with my "Homosexuals are wrong" stance, because when a huge, glowing ball of divine light descends from the heavens and begins laying waste to the Earth, I wanna be on its good side.

And to cause some argument: If they're making sodomy legal, why not pig-****ing? It's just as unnatural and against the laws of both man and God. But if people want to do it and both parties likes it, why not?

[Stryke 9]

Because the pig can't really consent, now can it? I suppose it could wiggle its rump suggestively or something, but given the total, ah, language barrier, Billy-Bob would be hard put to say his prize sow was gagging for it, and this could get absolutely repulsive if I continued in this vein so never mind.

I don't think the Bible calls for stoning homosexuals, just those who practice sodomy (or, for that matter, get blowjobs, or beat off, or anything- it's all kinda lumped together). I won't bother with this whole "straight people butt**** too" crap, because once again it's not a category of things you can do with your dick that I particuarly want to know about. BUT, there's no distinction between gay intercourse and what pretty much every person has done by age 15, so either everyone's going to hell (which, given the rules, can't be such a bad place after all), or the Bible was made as a code of law primarily reflecting the sensibilities of the time, which has damn little to do with what any God had to say in the matter, or (particularly) has to say now.

'Sides, I think the current right-wing argument is more along the lines of "Oh, now they're gonna legalize prostitution, too, right?"

Which, honestly, I don't see the problem with, so long as it's properly regulated, but hey. Whatever floats their freaky, angry boats.

[Kamikaze]

hmm... Can a pig give proper consent? I mean, consent that's defendable in court? I mean, if it's a dog maybe (dog translation is already somewhat developed) but pig?

[an0n]

Far as I know, the Bible only outlaws sodomy and wanking. Everything else was outlawed by a bunch of books known as the Penatentions.

And what if a Dolphin was asking for sex? They're smart enough to do so. , so are pigs. They're the first and third (second being monkeys) smartest animals.

[Stryke 9]

And... how would they communicate a desire to **** rednecks, exactly? Telepathy? Drawing out stick-figures getting it on in the dirt?

[an0n]

Sticking their ass in the air and going  "MWee, Wooont, Seeeex".

[Stryke 9]

I suppose that would do it. And given the fact that that has yet to happen, I think we can safely then assume that pigs don't find us any more attractive than most of us find them. Hence, it would remain illegal.

[Kamikaze]

Well, some lizards tell the females by biting them on the neck... so in court you'd say "the lizard bit me on the neck, so I indulged his reptilian desires" That'd be quite a spectacle...

[Stryke 9]

Yeah, all those alligators really just wanna get nasty.

[an0n]

That's what Steve Irwin reckons.

[Sandwich]

Ok, give me one reason to leave this thread open.

[an0n]

Because we wuv fishes?

Because you're lazy and the close option is a REALLY long way away?

****, that's two.

[Stryke 9]

Because the bestiality thing's been milked for all its worth?

Huh. "Milked". Huh huh.

[an0n]

OOoooh! If newbies come and see a thread discussing gay rights has been closed, they'll think we're a board full of biggots.