[an0n]

Originally posted by Rictor
good job, pick the single worst example ever. Buddhists literally wouldnt hurt a fly, so your association to any sort of violence is stupid.

According to you, Islam is the "lets crash some planes into buildings" religion, Christianity is the "lets anhiliate 6 million Jews" religion and Judaism is...what?

get real man, or atleast get educated

Islam
So you've got nothing against a religion which the proliferation of civilized beliefs is directly opposed to? You've got nothing against the idea that it's okay to beat women, stoned people to death, kill people for minor crimes, whip people in public. A religion that has begun to encourage violence against 'non-believe heathens'. A religion that has stated many times that, unlike Christianity and other major religions, it will actively and unrelentingly try to force its beliefs on people, barraging them with propoganda until they cave. A religion that caused the deaths of 100 people simply because some reporter made a casual, innocent remark that the Miss World contestants were so good looking that Mohammed might have married one of them.

I've got a few words and phrases you might want to memorise: Female Circumcision, Sharia Law, Burkha, Anti-Equality, Biggoted, Misogynist, Arrogant.

Christianity (Including Catholicism)
What the **** are you talking about? The passive anti-semitic values of the Christian religion lead to the annihilation of 6 million Jews. Oh, and let's not forget the lovely past of this rich and colourful religion. Anyone remember the Dark Ages? Well that's when most of the Bible, which all Christians in some form follow, was rewritten to suit the coffers of the church and its corrupt, immoral, megalomaniacle leaders. The entire religion, over the past 2000 years, has been turned into one big cash cow. Hell, the Catholic church made an agreement with the Nazis that they wouldn't tell Catholics world-wide to fight them as long as the Nazi's left the Catholics alone. Burning the Earth in exchange for a fire-proof bunker, so to speak. And let's not forget that for a hell of a long time, the Church supported the slave trade.

A few words and phrases: Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Collection Plate, Solid Gold Church Decorations, Racism, Native Americans, George Bush, Slavery.

Judaism
One of the oldest religions in the world. Aside from the odd wierdness (Kosher, what the **** is up with that?) I've got nothing against the Jewish faith, as such. But there are a few niggling things I don't like. For one, they refused to support the Kaiser during WW1, which, oddly enough, lead to Hitler having a slight dislike for them and thus allowed Himmler to go crazy and laughter them. There's also the fact that the entire media industry (especially the movie industry) is run by Jews and forces their views down the throats of the populous. Granted, it's eased up of late due to a resurgence of liberal media, but it's still there. How many blacks, or tramps, or gays did you see in Schindlers List? When was the last time you saw Hitler portrayed as a man, because, despite what you've been lead to believe, he wasn't a psychopath. At one time he was merely a struggling artist, a loyal German soldier and a devoted family man, but do you see any of this on TV or in the movies? No. Because the Jews control the films and the TV. And you can bet they'll be riding the old "We were badly persecuted" wagon for...ooooh...the next few thousand years. I'm not even going to get started on Palestine and how they, a 50 year old country, are trying to annihilate Palestine, one of the oldest nations in the world IIRC. Also, if they're such a damn nice bunch of people, why the **** does everyone keep trying to wipe them out? The Egyptians, the Romans, the Nazi's, the Palestinians..... Two words: Smoke, Fire.

Words-N-Phrases: Circumcision, Kosher (WTF?!?!), Jesus, Crucifiction.

[Nico]

Buddhism is the only form of religion I respect.

[an0n]

Actually, that's the one thing I hate more than organised religion; People who say they follow an organised religion, but are really just mildly fond of the ideas and lighter aspects of the religion.

Y'know, like an Amish guy with a torch.

[Nico]

so sue me if I like what they do.

[an0n]

*begins legal proceedings*

*nukes the Philipines*

[Rictor]

Originally posted by an0n

Islam

I've got a few words and phrases you might want to memorise: Female Circumcision, Sharia Law, Burkha, Anti-Equality, Biggoted, Misogynist, Arrogant.

Christianity (Including Catholicism)

A few words and phrases: Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Collection Plate, Solid Gold Church Decorations, Racism, Native Americans, George Bush, Slavery.

Judaism

Words-N-Phrases: Circumcision, Kosher (WTF?!?!), Jesus, Crucifiction.

Essentially, what you're doing, is assuming that the actions of the worst people in a given religion portray the enteirty(sp) of that religion. The majority of the people of each of the stated religions are nowhere near as fanatical or forceful in their beliefs as you make them out to be.

And even by you're reasoning, you've still got nothing on the Buddihsts.

[Rictor]

Originally posted by an0n
Actually, that's the one thing I hate more than organised religion; People who say they follow an organised religion, but are really just mildly fond of the ideas and lighter aspects of the religion.

Y'know, like an Amish guy with a torch.

Thats exactly the best way to do it. Pick and choose the best from each one, and in the end you have something superior to any one. Unless ofcourse, you want to further propagate the short-commings of each religion, in which case you should adhere to the worst aspects of your chosen faith

[kasperl]

Originally posted by an0n

Islam
So you've got nothing against a religion which the proliferation of civilized beliefs is directly opposed to? You've got nothing against the idea that it's okay to beat women, stoned people to death, kill people for minor crimes, whip people in public. A religion that has begun to encourage violence against 'non-believe heathens'. A religion that has stated many times that, unlike Christianity and other major religions, it will actively and unrelentingly try to force its beliefs on people, barraging them with propoganda until they cave.

uhm, no, in the original Koran explanation this wasn't mentioned, and IIRC, Islamits aren't even allowed to try and actively convert non-belivers

Christianity (Including Catholicism)
What the **** are you talking about? The passive anti-semitic values of the Christian religion lead to the annihilation of 6 million Jews. Oh, and let's not forget the lovely past of this rich and colourful religion. Anyone remember the Dark Ages? Well that's when most of the Bible, which all Christians in some form follow, was rewritten to suit the coffers of the church and its corrupt, immoral, megalomaniacle leaders. The entire religion, over the past 2000 years, has been turned into one big cash cow. Hell, the Catholic church made an agreement with the Nazis that they wouldn't tell Catholics world-wide to fight them as long as the Nazi's left the Catholics alone. Burning the Earth in exchange for a fire-proof bunker, so to speak. And let's not forget that for a hell of a long time, the Church supported the slave trade.

A few words and phrases: Spanish Inquisition, Crusades, Collection Plate, Solid Gold Church Decorations, Racism, Native Americans, George Bush, Slavery.

i pretty much agree, accpet for some good things the church did, like providing easy commnity forming for social services. where the government didn't do that.

Judaism
One of the oldest religions in the world. Aside from the odd wierdness (Kosher, what the **** is up with that?)

AFAIK, it is basicly sanitary and hygiene stuff driven to the extreme. and as for religions which don't eat a certain animal, you can be pretty shure that at the time the religion was invented the animal either spreaded desease or was frigging expensive.

I've got nothing against the Jewish faith, as such. But there are a few niggling things I don't like. For one, they refused to support the Kaiser during WW1, which, oddly enough, lead to Hitler having a slight dislike for them and thus allowed Himmler to go crazy and laughter them. There's also the fact that the entire media industry (especially the movie industry) is run by Jews and forces their views down the throats of the populous. Granted, it's eased up of late due to a resurgence of liberal media, but it's still there. How many blacks, or tramps, or gays did you see in Schindlers List? When was the last time you saw Hitler portrayed as a man, because, despite what you've been lead to believe, he wasn't a psychopath. At one time he was merely a struggling artist, a loyal German soldier and a devoted family man, but do you see any of this on TV or in the movies? No. Because the Jews control the films and the TV. And you can bet they'll be riding the old "We were badly persecuted" wagon for...ooooh...the next few thousand years.

indeed, jews shouldn't be the only group to be remembered when Hitlers acts are discused

I'm not even going to get started on Palestine and how they, a 50 year old country, are trying to annihilate Palestine, one of the oldest nations in the world IIRC. Also, if they're such a damn nice bunch of people, why the **** does everyone keep trying to wipe them out? The Egyptians, the Romans, the Nazi's, the Palestinians..... Two words: Smoke, Fire.

don't get me started on that one, i agree there

Words-N-Phrases: Circumcision, Kosher (WTF?!?!), Jesus, Crucifiction. [/B]

circumcision,

kosher, mentioned earlier
Jesus was just a Jewish fanatic who thought he was the great profet or something. don't get me on this, my bible knowledge and that of the jewish bible is very limited. what i know about this part is what i picked up by reading books on ancient rome.

and weren't it the romans who crucified runaway slaves, and used that on Christians to let them see how low they were?

[Rictor]

Originally posted by an0n

Judaism
One of the oldest religions in the world. Aside from the odd wierdness (Kosher, what the **** is up with that?) I've got nothing against the Jewish faith, as such. But there are a few niggling things I don't like. For one, they refused to support the Kaiser during WW1, which, oddly enough, lead to Hitler having a slight dislike for them and thus allowed Himmler to go crazy and laughter them. There's also the fact that the entire media industry (especially the movie industry) is run by Jews and forces their views down the throats of the populous. Granted, it's eased up of late due to a resurgence of liberal media, but it's still there. How many blacks, or tramps, or gays did you see in Schindlers List? When was the last time you saw Hitler portrayed as a man, because, despite what you've been lead to believe, he wasn't a psychopath. At one time he was merely a struggling artist, a loyal German soldier and a devoted family man, but do you see any of this on TV or in the movies? No. Because the Jews control the films and the TV. And you can bet they'll be riding the old "We were badly persecuted" wagon for...ooooh...the next few thousand years. I'm not even going to get started on Palestine and how they, a 50 year old country, are trying to annihilate Palestine, one of the oldest nations in the world IIRC. Also, if they're such a damn nice bunch of people, why the **** does everyone keep trying to wipe them out? The Egyptians, the Romans, the Nazi's, the Palestinians..... Two words: Smoke, Fire.

Words-N-Phrases: Circumcision, Kosher (WTF?!?!), Jesus, Crucifiction.

The Jews control the media? the banks too? its all one big, circumcised consipracy eh? As for Hitler, his pros include: loved his mother, loved his country. His cons go something like: killed 6 millions innocents and caused (by starting  WW2) the deaths of over 10 million more. His bad side slightly outweighs his good. His actions speak for themselves, that is to say that is human side is overshadowed by his evil, so why should you try to portray something that is disproprionate to reality?

As for everyone hating the Jews. There are MANY reasons why people hate each other. Fear, jealousy, convenience etc etc. By your rationale, every kid thats beaten by their drunken dad must have done something to deserve it eh? If you get punished, you deserve it right?

[an0n]

Originally posted by Rictor
...............killed 6 millions innocents and caused (by starting  WW2) the deaths of over 10 million more. His bad side slightly outweighs his good. His actions speak for themselves, that is to say that is human side is overshadowed by his evil, so why should you try to portray something that is disproprionate to reality?

IIRC, 18 million people died in the trenches in WW1. And 18 > 16. Civillians or not, they were still people.

Also, I do believe the American had their own nice little death-camps for the Japs. But how often do you hear about those?

As for everyone hating the Jews. There are MANY reasons why people hate each other. Fear, jealousy, convenience etc etc. By your rationale, every kid thats beaten by their drunken dad must have done something to deserve it eh? If you get punished, you deserve it right?

Yup. Pretty much. If your parents beat you, they're obvliously a little retarded, so it's simply Darwinism weeding out the junk.

[Rictor]

And thats just about wraps this conversation up.

[an0n]

[last-word]Thought it might.[/last-word]

[JC Denton]

Originally posted by an0n
Also, I do believe the American had their own nice little death-camps for the Japs. But how often do you hear about those?

Concentration / isolation camps, yes.  Death / mass execution centers, no.

[Nico]

Originally posted by Rictor


The Jews control the media? the banks too?  

Actually, that's about true. But well, that means they're hard working people, and there's nothing bad with that, since they don't really use the power they could gain from that. If people aren't happy with it, well, they had to do better. they didn't, their loss.

[an0n]

Originally posted by JC Denton
Concentration / isolation camps, yes.  Death / mass execution centers, no.

Personally, I'd rather be shot in the head by a Nazi than starved to death by an American.

[Stryke 9]

Personally, I could never wrap my head around why there was never any real resistance to the Holocaust. Warsaw was pretty much it. I mean, ****, man, any self-respecting people had better be prepared to defend themselves in the face of total annihilation, or there's something seriously wrong with them. Even if it's a futile fight, it's still one well worth it...


Anyway. This "conversation" is lame, with people on both sides saying utterly stupid things. I don't know if an0n is being dumb so that everyone else will feel comfortable spouting fatuous things, too, but this is not entertaining me nearly enough.

[Rictor]

Yeah, I've always wondered about that whole pacifism issue. Guess it was really hard to believe that it was actually happening...

An as for anon, well after he said that all kids who get beat deserve it, I kind of knew he was either bull****ting or was crazy, either way, it hard to carry on a meaninful conversation

[Stryke 9]

This from the guy who wants to form a guerilla army and blow up a boarding school-cum-prison sometime maybe slightly after middle age?

[Rictor]

I honestly dont see the relation. Well, except that both me and anon encourage violence in some situations. But if you find that its the same to advocate taking out a prison camp that places kids in detention against their will and to advoate chil abuse, go ahead cause I really doubt either one of you are serious on the issue.

Violence is a means to an end. It makes the whole deal easier to fathom if there is a noble end to accomplish. For example, killing Hitler to (suposedly) prevent the Holocaust is not the same a killing a convenience store clerk in a petty robbery. The better the end, the more justified the means.

[Stryke 9]

Does it ever get frustrating to not understand anything that's going on around you 9/10 of the time?