[Kamikaze]

http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/09/10/0046257.shtml?tid=141&tid=188&tid=98&tid=99

This is bloody low, this is a 12 year old girl who's family may not be able to afford a $2000 settlement. They are deliberately, publicly humiliating her and her family for the sake of their campaign and public opinion. It was horrible before, it's still going down.

The RIAA will most likely continue this trend, the first 1 or 2 people afflicted by this may get media coverage and therefore sympathy money. However, the RIAA won't stop, and the media's going to get bored by the third.

I seriously suggest you all stop supporting the RIAA if you are and go for legal, RIAA-less music.
http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2003/9/5/05113/70314

http://www.emusic.com/pitch.html

[Turnsky]

"I come from a land down under
Where beer does flow and men chunder
Can't you hear, can't you hear the thunder?
You better run, you better take cover."

in other words, i'm an australian... and to be quite honest, this all sucks.. i remember something about the US being "The Land of the Free" isn't that in the national anthem?...

as far as i can see it.. the US is no longer the land of the free, more like the Land of the civil lawsuits:doubt:

in other words, i don't see how could punishing children could possibly accomplish anything.. besides getting masses of people across the world pissed off at you...

next thing you know, they'll get the power to break into your house and permanantly seize anything of suspicion (SP?)...
Either that, or they'll start goose-stepping and saying "Sig-heil":doubt:

[Tiara]

This is just ****ing outragous. I mean, sueing an adult for downloading, but a ****ing 12-year old just pisses me off.

Land of the free... Yeah... right...

[Solatar]

More and more reason for me to move to the UK when I'm old enough...

EDIT: bastards...

[Top Gun]

Why the UK? It's only slightly better in terms of lawsuits, not as permissive as the rest of Europe, bad food (bar foregn) and crap weather. Go to Oz or france.

[Woolie Wool]

99% of my music comes from game soundtracks anyway so I'm in no danger...I don't think...

Oh, and you Euros: you're not safe. You can get tried for sending encrypted email to certain countries and I'm you can probably get busted for pirating American music or at the very least downloading it from or sharing it with an American.

I ****ing hate the ****ing Recording ****ing Association ****ing of America...

[Tiara]

This is why Holland will be the next superpower in the world... In a millenia or 100

[Flipside]

LOL The coffee shops alone would ensure world peace for millennia to come

Ahem

Flipside

[Ashrak]

uhh ok im just gonna rant a bit....



1 americans are retards and stupid ****ing morons with some exceptions


2 if you dont want illegal music or movies or games lower the ****ing prices to a reasonable size currently for 2 games you can buy a GF4Ti4200.......


and now the final word: **** RIAA **** MPAA and **** any other agencies like that

[01010]

I'll continue to download, and I'll also continue to buy the albums of the artists that I do like.

It's simple economics when you think about it. Maybe if those fuckwits at the RIAA didn't concern themselves with chasing little girls and maybe made it worth buying a CD they wouldn't have half as many problems as they do.

For example I bought a CD two weeks ago (Cave-In - Antenna, ****ing amazing CD) and it had a free DVD with it and was reasonably priced.

[Stunaep]

yet another moronic deed by the US. Whatever reputation your goverment ever had in my eyes (and believe me, it could be counted on one hand), just went with the wind

[kasperl]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool

Oh, and you Euros: you're not safe. You can get tried for sending encrypted email to certain countries and I'm you can probably get busted for pirating American music or at the very least downloading it from or sharing it with an American.

first, they would need to resolve my IP, and if they don;tstop weith seeing a .nl, they will have to call my ISP. if they don't stop after douzens of auto-reponding machines, they would be told to get a ****ing warrant valid over here, meaning a dutch court evealuation it. then, they will have to sue me, and it's just the question in what country it happens. probably here. and here, the max is 3 months jail, or €5000,-. but lawsuits on warez are rare here, and the ones that do happen are rarely succesfull.

and if they don;t win the case, i can go to the states, and file a complaint case worth $10,000 just to get back to them, and for a fund for people who get sued.

[CP5670]

Here is another example of a silly and pointless action by the big bad institution, further compounded by the typically overreacting public. I mean, I certainly agree that the RIAA is just being stupid and making their public image even worse than it already is, but the overemotional reactions of the people are perhaps even funnier.

These copyright laws are pretty similar in most first-world capitalist nations and they all have their own versions of RIAA-type things, so it is a little naive to think that just moving somewhere else will suddenly make it all legal (you will need to go to one of these messed up countries for that), although it is far more stupid to think that these things are really laws in the first place. Once in a while someone gets caught (out of bad lack, incompetence in covering their tracks or both), but for each one there are maybe fifty million others that get away with it. When maybe one out of three people breaks a law, it can no longer be no effectively enforced and is not much of a law anymore. What is the RIAA going to do, file a lawsuit against the whole nation? So continue downloading your music.

This is just ****ing outragous. I mean, sueing an adult for downloading, but a ****ing 12-year old just pisses me off.  

On this particular point, why does it make any difference what age the person is? I doubt anyone would care much if she was say, 50 years old. I mean, that's like discrimination.

1 americans are retards and stupid ****ing morons with some exceptions

ooh, you're going to piss off quite a few with that one...

It's simple economics when you think about it. Maybe if those ****wits at the RIAA didn't concern themselves with chasing little girls and maybe made it worth buying a CD they wouldn't have half as many problems as they do.

Ah, finally a sensible post; I quite agree here.

yet another moronic deed by the US. Whatever reputation your goverment ever had in my eyes (and believe me, it could be counted on one hand), just went with the wind

I don't think the RIAA is a government agency; it is essentially a corporation.

[diamondgeezer]

And the corporations run America. So it all works out in the end

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670
On this particular point, why does it make any difference what age the person is? I doubt anyone would care much if she was say, 50 years old. I mean, that's like discrimination.

The average 50-year old KNOWS what he does. The average 12-year old however, does not always. Discrimination my ass. Its basic psychology.

Besides, whats the use of taking on individual downloaders? There are litterally hundreds of millions of them. They should be going after the big fish instead of picking on 12 year old infants who downloaded a Britney Spears single.

[CP5670]

And the corporations run America. So it all works out in the end

Certainly, but that's true for all of the larger economies today; that is how capitalism works. All national governments are either controlled by the corporations, militias or criminal gangs.

The average 50-year old KNOWS what he does. The average 12-year old however, does not always. Discrimination my ass. Its basic psychology.  

hah...where did that come from? How in the world does the 50-year old know any more than the 12-year old? I certainly have seen young people with more intelligence and wisdom than much older ones. I believe I already had this debate with you before in one of the sex threads. Basing your anger on the age of the person is simply a typical emotional overreaction, nothing more.

Besides, whats the use of taking on individual downloaders? There are litterally hundreds of millions of them. They should be going after the big fish instead of picking on 12 year old infants who downloaded a Britney Spears single.

Of course I agree with that, which is what I was saying before; from their point of view, this is not accomplishing much other than getting people mad at them, which will cause even more people to take up pirating music.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670

hah...where did that come from? How in the world does the 50-year old know any more than the 12-year old? I certainly have seen young people with more intelligence and wisdom than much older ones. I believe I already had this debate with you before in one of the sex threads. Basing your anger on the age of the person is simply a typical emotional overreaction, nothing more.

Read it again. I said "average"12 year old and "average" 50-year old. And I assume that average 50-year olds have enjoyed a longer (not neccesarily better) education. They alsy have 38 more years of experience in life.

Yes, there are exceptions, but only by complete morons and super intelligent kids.

[CP5670]

Read it again. I said "average"12 year old and "average" 50-year old. And I assume that average 50-year olds have enjoyed a longer (not neccesarily better) education. They alsy have 38 more years of experience in life.

Yes, there are exceptions, but only by complete morons and super intelligent kids.

Even average. Experience certainly does not make a person more responsible, intelligent or anything like that. On this particular point, I bet most 50-year olds (unless they are lawyers) are as clueless about some obscure media copyright laws that are hardly ever enforced as the 12-year olds are.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by CP5670
Certainly, but that's true for all of the larger economies today; that is how capitalism works. All national governments are either controlled by the corporations, militias or criminal gangs.

Then we're agreed. Let's go and get drunk.

[Tiara]

Originally posted by CP5670


Even average. Experience certainly does not make a person more responsible, intelligent or anything like that. On this particular point, I bet most 50-year olds (unless they are lawyers) are as clueless about some obscure media copyright laws that are hardly ever enforced as the 12-year olds are.

Hey, you were the one who picked the 50 years of age. They'd be better off going after an adult in general. Prosecuting a child because they download Britney Spears singles = bad. Period.

And please spare me your bull**** explainations CP. No offense, but you speak like the only thing you know are statistics. Go have a social life and judge people then. No offense intended but you act as if you know people. Well, by staying inside 24/7 you don't.