[kasperl]

where do i find it?

and IIRC you can save your settings to a floppy when you use Knoppix, and it can boot from that floppy.

[kode]

Originally posted by kasperl
where do i find it?
 

I heard it was on the internet.

[Kosh]

Originally posted by Odyssey

Nah, 98SE. I'm really seriously considering forcing her to use Linux or FreeBSD (downloaded BSD, got an old machine I can use for testing, just not got around to trying it yet) and showing her that with openoffice and a few media programmes she can do everything on it that she currently does in Windows... I'm sick of fixing her machine's problems as it stands currently

I have 98 SE on two of my computers and I have never seen it do anything like that.

[mikhael]

Originally posted by karajorma

Lastly any reason why I shouldn't look into one of the BSD's instead of Linux? I've heard of a lot of good things about BSD.

Personally, I always recommend FreeBSD. Its rock solid stable, its not as much of a moving target as any of the Linux distributions, it doesn't suffer from the kind of zealotry/bigotry/fundamentalism endemic to the Windows/Linux communities, and most importantly, its got /usr/ports (source based automatic application building/installing).

If you ever want to talk to someone about *BSD, just drop me a PM. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have.

[Bobboau]

just to let you know, becase of this thread I fanaly got open office, and from the looks of it, I'm never going to be cursed with MS office again
I'm realy starting to want to get a dual boot with Linux and XP(only bewcase I have to) the only problem is it's going to be an ubber hassle becase I'd have to reformat c: (make partisions for the OSs) and I already need to reformat d: and there isn't enough room on d: for everything that's on c:
I don't supose XP will just let me add a FAT32 partition to an NTFS drive without reformating the entire thing,
no, didn't think so

[Kamikaze]

You can just resize partitions instead of screwing around with copying and such. If you get the parted program (There are some other programs, like partition magic, but I don't know any free ones other than parted) you can resize (without fragmenting). Easiest way that I know to use parted is to boot the redhat install disk 1 in rescue mode.

[Admiral LSD]

Originally posted by kasperl
and i tried GAIM, it needed some plugin for msn, which needed something else, wich needed something else, and everything was only available in source.

That's not exactly gaims fault, it's this new encryption business that MS has implemented on MSN logins. gaim relies on part of Mozilla, the Network Security Services (NSS), in order to support this and it's MSN support won't work without it. If you have Mozilla 1.4 installed then it should work just fine.

[karajorma]

Originally posted by mikhael
Personally, I always recommend FreeBSD. Its rock solid stable, its not as much of a moving target as any of the Linux distributions, it doesn't suffer from the kind of zealotry/bigotry/fundamentalism endemic to the Windows/Linux communities, and most importantly, its got /usr/ports (source based automatic application building/installing).

If you ever want to talk to someone about *BSD, just drop me a PM. I'll be happy to answer any questions you have.

That's the sort of thing I've heard about BSD that makes me more interested in it than Linux. I don't suppose there is a bootable CD version of that too though?

Just quickly though why FreeBSD instead of Open or Net?

[Odyssey]

Originally posted by Bobboau
just to let you know, becase of this thread I fanaly got open office, and from the looks of it, I'm never going to be cursed with MS office again

Good for you! It really is easy to transfer to, isn't it?

Originally posted by Kosh
I have 98 SE on two of my computers and I have never seen it do anything like that.

Neither had I.

[kasperl]

OO and M$O are pretty much compatible. OO has good saving options for M$O, and it can read it fine too. M$O can't read OO native tough.

i use it myself under linux, and i used it under windows, and it works fine, except for some memory issues under linux. somehow, it takes up 200MB out of my 192MB

[Odyssey]

I noticed that the quickload thing in Windows for OpenOffice takes up 20 megs or so of memory, but then if I load any of the programs it doesn't increase a jot, which means a lovely efficient quickloader - each individual M$ office app takes up way over 40mb when you start them individually. So if you load 'em all it kills speeds pretty quickly.
Quite what OpenOffice is doing in Linux I don't know, I never had that problem... I'm trying the FreeBSD port soon, we'll see what happens...

[mikhael]

Originally posted by karajorma


That's the sort of thing I've heard about BSD that makes me more interested in it than Linux. I don't suppose there is a bootable CD version of that too though?

Just quickly though why FreeBSD instead of Open or Net?

OpenBSD has a couple of things that turn me off, but neither is really a showstopper. First, Theo deRaadt is a bit of a prick (this is extreme understatement). Since its his project, well, lots of OpenBSDers feel they should follow his lead. They're not as bad as the Linux Zealots I meet, but I understand they're working on this with training camps and carefully guided indoctrination. Second, OpenBSD focuses on security. Hugely. They do line by line audits of their code continually. Now, this in itself is a very very good thing. The problem is that it makes the incredibly slow when it comes to the uptake of new hardware.

NetBSD has a rather promiscuous take on hardware: if there's hardware, we'll run on it. They've ported NetBSD to pretty much anything with a keyboard (and somethings without) in existence. They support hardware faster and more often than the rest of the BSDs, but the overall package is not as polished, in my opinion, as it could be.

FreeBSD seems to fit rather firmly in the center of these two extremes, taking security updates from OpenBSD and hardware updates from NetBSD, and giving both back in both directions. The nice thing is that the BSDs tend to be pretty consistent. IF you know your way around one BSD box, you should be able to make your way around a foreign BSD box. The layout is documented in excruciating detail in the "hier" manpage. The same cannot be said about Linux: SuSe and RedHat and Debian all have different philosophies about the filesystem layout.

The main thing I like about FreeBSD is that its easy to maintain and use. The thing I hate about it (like all BSDs and most Linuxes) is that the installer isn't very friendly. Its not actively user-homicidal like the Debian installer, but its not as friendly as the Mandrake installer either.

Finally: there's no CD based BSD distribution. There's really only 3.5 distros of BSD: Open, Free and Net. The other .5 is "DragonFly" which is intended to be a continuation of the FreeBSD-4.x line when FreeBSD goes to 5.x.

[kode]

which one was it one can get with debian packaging support? I mean apt.

[mikhael]

I know you can get Debian support for FreeBSD and maybe NetBSD.

I wouldn't go that route though. Usually /usr/ports is better for FreeBSD (And build from source is a better fit for the BSD philosophy). If you really want Debian, I'd stick to Linux. The support there is more mature and up to date.

[Odyssey]

Ah-ha! Success! Her computer screwed up one too many times, so she's finally agreed to let me experiment with alternatives. Happy days...

[Taristin]

/me wants to put linux on, but gets confused...

[Odyssey]

[color=cc9900]First time I tried was with Red Hat. It wasn't the friendliest ever, since the colourful graphic GUI didn't work and it went all DOS-esque text like. It wasn't all that bad though, still logical.
Where are you getting confused?[/color]

[Taristin]

Well, I had mandrake once, but I didn't get the partition bit, and it both destroyed my MBR, and overwrote the bit I wanted to be spared.

Also, I didn't have any programs for it, at the time, and couldn't get online to get any/learn how to compile.

[Kamikaze]

One word: Documentation.

Install help documentation is there for a reason.

[Sandwich]

I just "installed" Knoppix, and I must say, I'm impressed. It ran smooth as silk, with only the expected slowdowns due to running off a CD and not HDD.