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Offline Unknown Target

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The Herc MK. I was kept in service a way damn long time.

And remember, most fighters today arn't scrapped even after 30 years in service. The Delta Dart stayed in service from the 1950s until the 1980s, and some P-51s stayed in the Puerto Rican National Gaurd until the 1980s as well!

 

Offline Kosh

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The Ulysses was as well. The U-2 spy plane and the B-52 bomber are still in service, despite the fact that production started in the 50's (and that most of them are older than their pilots).
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Offline Ypoknons

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But the U-2 and B-52 is only because it filled the role fine and their replacements (SR-71 and B-1/B-2) never got produced in similiar quantities because there was not need to: the recon plane has been replaced to large amount with Satilletes and UAV's, and B-52's still work for a heavy bomber force.

Firstly, there's no evidance that the Erinyes was produced in very large numbers, before and after Capella. It's possible that more cost-effective types were produced after Capella to take the Advanced Space Superiority Fighter role, and we know that there are mass produced replacements in INF.
Long time ago, you see, there was this thing called the VBB and... oh, nevermind.

 

Offline T-Man

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Firstly, there's no evidance that the Erinyes was produced in very large numbers, before and after Capella. It's possible that more cost-effective types were produced after Capella to take the Advanced Space Superiority Fighter role, and we know that there are mass produced replacements in INF.


Oh yes, how true.

I've always been a believer of small groups of well-designed and constructed vessels (A wing of Keres anyone?) rather than just pilling in with hundreds of ships. However, you are correct.
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Offline mr.WHO

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I see you scrapped GVSD Het-ka. Do you have something to replace it, can you  send some screenshots of it?

or

Vasudans will don't have a superdestroyer?

 

Offline Taristin

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Hot: GVCv Kurruk... ;)
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Offline pyro-manic

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HOT:

GTD Odin (awesome design, I can't wait to see it used. Only hope it isn't wasted...)
EAD Lindos (interesting and original design, but could do with more details)
GVF Ennead (the best Vasudan fighter I've ever seen)
EACa Telemus (see Lindos)
GTCv Alexandria (looks cool, asymmetric)

The SOC Dreadnaught - cool, not blocky.


NOT:
EASD Nemesis (The most ugly, boring and all-round crap ship I have ever seen. It's an inflated, squared-off Fenris, and I hate it. Sorry.)
EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.

Most of the new Shivan stuff is a bit useless as well, to be honest. I just don't think they look Shivan.


I didn't like the feel of INF, to be brutally honest. Yeah, a hell of a lot of work went into it (it shows, the quality is very high), but the whole thing of a load of massive ships knocking **** out of each other just didn't do it for me - I'd rather have seen more original tactics and situations - I felt kind of superfluous in most missions - Command could have just sent in a few more capships to do my job, or that's what it felt like...

Hmmph. Maybe I'm just *****ing, but I'll wait for release 2 before I make my final decision.

Having said that, some of it was really good, and the new explosions and beam effects are bloody good. :)
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Offline DeepSpace9er

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I kinda agree with you pyro. Missions should be missions if 1) you are one of if not the deciding factor to the mission, and 2) The mission is beatable on at most the 2nd or 3rd try, not the 400th like on m13.

Id also like to add to my list of Hot:

GVB Petbe (original and cool design for a Vasudan Fighter. Seems very advanced Vasudan like) :yes: :yes: :yes:
EAC Eclipse (what every cruiser should be like) :yes: :yes:
EASD Nemisis (I wouldnt call it a superdestroyer though) :yes: :yes:
EAD Lindos (Unique original design, but the engine textures need a lot of work) :yes: :yes:

:)

 

Offline Blaise Russel

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Originally posted by pyro-manic
EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.


Tereus. Which, by the way, has a really messed up engine-blast-thingie that makes you spin uncontrollably round and round and round until you get pushed out of the way... when you're not even directly behind the engine, but are way off to the side of it. Messed up.

 
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HOT:

SODn Solaris - Looks awsome
GTD Boreas - big, brutal and ugly... perfect.

NOT:

GTD Iceleus:  It just looks bad (to me), and what's with those pointy bits on top of the engines?
GTCv Ehreos - Looks great but I can fly straight through the front section.
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Offline Woolie Wool

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EASD Nemesis (The most ugly, boring and all-round crap ship I have ever seen. It's an inflated, squared-off Fenris, and I hate it. Sorry.)

The general configuration of the Fenris is cool, and the Nemesis executes the theme much better than the Fenris. It's very nice and powerful-looking.

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EAD ?? (taud-inf.pof) can't remember the name, but it's ugly, blocky and dull.

I like Terran ships blocky and untainted by Vasudan elements such as curves and the color tan.
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Offline Goober5000

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The general configuration of the Fenris is cool, and the Nemesis executes the theme much better than the Fenris. It's very nice and powerful-looking.


No, the Fenris works much better than the Nemesis. :p The Nemesis is ugly (not even cool ugly, but dumb ugly) and doesn't even look very powerful.

 

Offline Woomeister

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The Ticonderoga owns them both :D :p
Though our Bellerophon is better than that :D

The Nemesis evolved from a really old buggy model that was released in that outakes pack a year or so ago, it was designed to be a carrier originally, but after the design change, was upgraded...

 

Offline Kosh

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and doesn't even look very powerful


Appearences can be decieving.

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and what's with those pointy bits on top of the engines?


It's supposed to be a second generation Hecate, so it would share a lot of hull design features. The Hecate had those pointy things on top as well, they were the Comm and Nav subsystems.
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What was hot, what was not?
The Nemesis will have a somewhat different weapons configuration once we're done re-designing the tables. :)

And I for one love the Nemesis model. The 'Fenrisyness' suits it more as a command carrier instead of a bulk cruiser. Maybe the 500-meter diameter comm dish on the top is a bit much, but that's all that I can perceive is wrong about it.
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Offline pyro-manic

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The Fenris itself is an awesome-looking ship. The Nemesis is a couple of big boxes stuck together with an engine on the end. I don't think it even looks particularly Terran - look at the Orion, for example. That is a cool, pure-terran design. It's blocky, yes, but the Nemesis one BIG block. It's dull, ugly, and doesn't look very imposing or scary. Nobody will ever convince me to like it. So there. :p

Oh, the Tereus has the spinny engine-wash thing as well, does it? Hadn't noticed that. I thought the SOD Segomo had it really bad - the mission where you're killing those three Lycaeon stations took me bloody ages, 'cos I kept getting blasted by it's engines from about a klick below it! Perhaps it was the Tereus next to it after all...
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Ah yes, I remember Woo telling me that the engine wash had something to do with the length of the thruster normals in the POF data. Should be fairly easy to fix for R2 if that is indeed the case.

 

Offline Woomeister

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It should be fixed already for some of the ships at least.

 

Offline mr.WHO

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The Nemesis will have a somewhat different weapons configuration once we're done re-designing the tables. :)

can you tell me something more?
it will have more or less heavy weapons (like BFSilv)

 

Offline Woolie Wool

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Ah yes, I remember Woo telling me that the engine wash had something to do with the length of the thruster normals in the POF data. Should be fairly easy to fix for R2 if that is indeed the case.


The thruster glows on the Tereus also are too small. You can easily see the thruster nozzles through them. Or maybe that's just because of the recolored TBP thruster ani I use for SIA. That's something I can fix in Modelview though.:p
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