[Culando]

#1.) Looks like it has a leg attached to it or something. Looks strange. I'd make it thinner, change the angle so it faces more back.

#2.) Aah, a "fin" that looks cool, and seems to serve a purpose as a stabalizer or something. This ship looks cool.

#3.) Did someone stab that fighter with a huge pencil with one of those big erasers on it? (Hey, at least I came up with an original description for it. =P ) Just, no. It's bigger than the fighter itself and just looks wrong. Get rid of it.

[StratComm]

The first two are an excellent use of vertical design aesthetically.  They seem to be somewhat functionless, but they look pretty good just the same.  The third, well, the third still has the exact same extrusion with a bulge at the bottom as the Njord.  (So similar in fact it makes me think you just changed the fighter part on top).  We didn't like it then, we don't like it now, and not only does it look hopelessly out of place on both designs because of its immense size but it also raises some major concerns about the flight performance of said vehicles.  In reality, if they are going into Freespace, the game won't know any differently and would break if you tried to effectively simulate it.  But with the giant... thing... the center of mass would be so far behind and below the pilot that manuvering the ship so that its guns actually were aiming correctly would be harder than I think you realize.  It would rotate about a point fully outside of the main hull, which makes little enough sense for a combat spacecraft, but the guns on both models are far too distant from that point to effectively track a target through a turn.  And you can forget lining up your shot, as it would require precise control over pitch, yaw, and bank at the same time, a thing for which there is absolutely no natural control configuration without the use of your feet.  Slender that sucker down, a lot, and it will look pretty good.

[Raven2001]

1st: I'm really tired of hearing kiddie stupidities in my threads, of reading 2 pages that say exactly the same on each line, and in useless english... if I wanna read again, I don't need you to write again
2nd: I'm really really tired of hearing people say that *WE* don't like it and I should listen to your suggestions, when some, although very few, people have shown to like it... don't use the plural when it is not true... and I DID listen to your suggestions, otherwise the Gefjon and the Aurvandil would have the same kind of "fin" as the Njord...
3rd: I'm really really really tired of hearing people speak about the Physics of a ship when this is a game, when people speak about functionality that I already explained...
4th: I'm really really really really tired of people seeing penis' everywhere (not only the Njord and Gwidion, but also the Gefjon and a cruiser WIP mikhael made... that just adds up to the immaturity status of most of you...)... Sheepy said it all about it... oh and for those who talk about only showing these models textured I only have to say that I'd love to see them textured and that if you guys have such imagination to imagine penis' everywhere, you should have enough imagination to imagine the ships textured... with DECENT textures that is...

Finally... you are lucky, I didn't think that kind of "fin" didn't fit the Gwidion from the first time, so I changed it. But I wanted to check if you learnt or grew up a bit since the Njord... the answer is NO obviously...
I hope you like the new fin... the Njord will not be changed though

[Woolie Wool]

you guys have such imagination to imagine penis' everywhere, you should have enough imagination to imagine the ships textured...

A frightening number of people will probably imagine this ship with flesh textures.

[phreak]

*beats woolie with a lead pipe*

[Raven2001]

Originally posted by Woolie Wool


A frightening number of people will probably imagine this ship with flesh textures.

A frightening number of people are hopeless, just like you...

[magatsu1]

Dude. If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions, you shouldn't have posted the pictures.

I'd say the response was mostly positive.

[StratComm]

Raven you're misinterpreting a lot.  You knew what kind of response you were going to get, and now you're pissed off about it.  Calm down a little, sort out the garbage, and go on.

As for my post, which you obviously don't seem to like, I stand by the technical hurdles I was complaining about (although it now only applies to the Njord).  Guns should be as close as possible to the axis of rotation, period.  That's what makes models like the Claymore mk.II and even the Ursa a pain because the shots come out so far out of line with the centerline of your ship.  Freespace will be more than willing to let you place said axis way, way above what should be the center of mass, behind the cockpit where presumably you'd want it, so you won't run in to any true technical hurdles with the game and the guns will line up just fine.  It just doesn't match what it would do if an object of that shape tried to manuver under even semi-newtonian physics, even in the way you have described.

And you really should let people know when you change the first post in a 3 page thread, I completely missed the redesign.  I think it suits very well, much more in proportion, and I retract my complaints.  Before it was just a copy of the Njord's bulge though, so you have to admit that people were going to go on right where the now-locked Njord page left off.

Originally posted by Raven2001
Finally... you are lucky, I didn't think that kind of "fin" didn't fit the Gwidion from the first time, so I changed it. But I wanted to check if you learnt or grew up a bit since the Njord... the answer is NO obviously...
I hope you like the new fin... the Njord will not be changed though

You expected us to grow up in what, 2 days?  What were you thinking  Don't take it personally Raven, many members of this community as a whole have always had a tendency to see things as phallic even when they are not.  And a stunning minority actually read the whole thread before they post so the rest are going to keep saying it even after everyone says to stop.

I still wish you'd at least tweak the Njord, box it out or something.  But if you want to keep it as-is, it's your perogative and I fully respect and support that decision.

EDIT: And Woolie, please stop being a complete 'tard.  You didn't have to comment and you know it.

[phreak]

ok #3 looks much better

[StratComm]

You didn't know it was changed either did you Phreak.

[Culando]

I only just noticed it changed. The 3rd ship looks MUCH better now. Now the "fin" actually looks like it's part of the ship rather than something just thrown on there.

However, now I think it falls into the category of the first ship. That "fin" is still quite big in respect to the ship and I think it should point back more.

And honestly, Raven, if you thought that you could take a design that got a lot of negative feedback, reuse it a couple days later, and expected none of that feedback to repeat itself, I think you're the one who's hopeless.

[Unknown Target]

Originally posted by magatsu1
Dude. If you didn't want to hear peoples opinions, you shouldn't have posted the pictures.

I'd say the response was mostly positive.

Here, here. Anyways, 3rd ship looks much better now, good job.

And Raven, if you know it looks like a cock, stop complaining about how immature we are, when, in reality, it looks like a cock. Don't post your model if you expect 2 pages of praise (praze? spelling?), about how incredible it looks, when all these people are saying that it looks like a cock, and then get pissed when you suddenly come to the realization that most people in this world are 5 year old schoolboys at heart, and are not so mature. In fact, if 90% of the people who replied in the thread think it looks like a cock, guess what? Most likely 90% of the people who didn't reply in the thread, and are gonna play the actual campaign are gonna think it looks like a cock.


But, again, I noticed you changed it. These points are for past and future reference. Good job on the new ship. Might I suggest some more functional "Wings" at the bottom?

[Taristin]

It's not so much tht it does that bothers me, but that everyone feels it's important that they each say it. It looks like one. Get over it.  That's all I'm saying.

[Galemp]

But it looks better now.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Raa Tor'h
It's not so much tht it does that bothers me, but that everyone feels it's important that they each say it. It looks like one. Get over it.  That's all I'm saying.

Well the *mature* ones are actually critiquing the model. It looks like a wang. That's bad. I don't really think that's great on a ship. I'm not saying "OMFG ItS TEH GHAY SHPI!!!!" I'm just saying that I would change it like so.

It's not like this is anything new to the forum..

[StratComm]

What is really suprising me is how all of a sudden critiques are being interpreted as attacks against one's skills or ideas.  Where they are intended to be beneficial for all concerned, I'm seeing several instances where a disagreement over a ship, or an idea, turn into a flame war based on each others' stubborn refusal to come to any sort of agreement or to simply say "noted and considered."  I'll admit that I haven't been above these disputes.

This is Raven's project, so he's got full grounds to do whatever he wants.  But he put the models up for critique, and (no offense Raven) then went on to blast the critiques he was recieving.  That's not the way to build interest in a mod, and it certainly is not the way to build a positive community environment.  And he's not the only one acting like this.  We have one of those here already so I don't understand why these flame ups are even happening.

[Assassin]

Tbh, I think they all look great. None of the appendages look like a dick.

Raven, keep up the good work. I like every single mesh you've put out so far.

Jack

[adwight]

Originally posted by Flipside
And I refuse to voice act...

'My God command! They're hung like donkeys!'

Sorry

Flipside

 That's the funniest thing I've heard all day man.  Anyways, I absolutely love the Idea behind these fighters, the verticality (is that a word?) to them is very, very nice.  And the fins really add to the uniqueness of the ships.  Great Work!

[Ypoknons]

Whatever the originals, the edited versions are awesome - it seemed like Sol decided to take the Herc's design features into all their fighters, which is cool.

[Raven2001]

Stratt: I only go blast on how people make the critics... I'll be honest, I kinda was proud about how the critiques were made in the first replies of the thread... people didn't show any intention of making fun or being offensive for the models. What really pisses me off is when people do what has been done... I hope this is enough to get that point settled, cause you gotta agree, how most critiques to the first Gwidion were made, they certainly didn't point to build a "good community environment", as you call it. A good goal IMO, but sometimes even the most peaceful community must have problems to stay stable

Oh, and don't take it that I didn't like your post... when I said that about the physics stuff, it was not related to you, but my point of view about it: its a game, so why don't we forget some of that complex stuff? But the theory you wrote is completely correct in reality, however

I think all is settled now Check the new thread