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Offline Taristin

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SO, basically, what Bob's saying is:

"If you don't have a Radeon you can **** off."

Gotcha...
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Offline Flaser

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Nay, he said if ya hev 'his 'en ye could test it right ney.
The rest will have to be patient.

BTW I think of buying a new vidcard instead my olf GF2.
I'm definitly thinking of an ATI card. The question is which:
9600, 9700 or 9800 the first one is within the limits of my purse, I have to spare for the later two. Is it wort?
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Offline Drew

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Originally posted by Vilkacis
AFAIK the hardware support for this feature was taken out again in the 9000's series (not sure though).

:mad:  it had better not! :hopping: :hopping: :hopping:
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Offline Turnsky

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i'll give it a try when i get home :)

EDIT: Bobb... nice job there, and people, 9000's DO support truform... trust me on that ;)
« Last Edit: November 24, 2003, 04:38:02 pm by 86 »
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Offline Lightspeed

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Originally posted by Flaser
Nay, he said if ya hev 'his 'en ye could test it right ney.
The rest will have to be patient.

BTW I think of buying a new vidcard instead my olf GF2.
I'm definitly thinking of an ATI card. The question is which:
9600, 9700 or 9800 the first one is within the limits of my purse, I have to spare for the later two. Is it wort?


yes it is. The 9800 non-pro (you need to look for a good manufacturer though, do NOT buy club3d cards or the like :p)is affordable and has about the same power as a 9700 Pro (slightly less performance, about 1-3%, not more, and it's cheaper). Also the 9800-range has cool new stuff, and since a Radeon 9800 non-pro runs at lower clock speeds than the 9700 Pro you will have less problems with heat. I would not reccommend a 256 MB version of the 9800, though. Price >> Performance.

If you can afford a good 9800 Pro, that's good, but better buy a good 9800 non-pro than a cheap 9800 PRO. I can reccommend Hercules and HIS video cards. ;)
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Offline Turnsky

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hmmm... it works with the -htl tag, but the shinemaps don't.. very odd..
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Offline Bobboau

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yup, and this can be set up to teselate by just about any value, I'm thinking this can be set up so that only on the highest detail levels this will ramp up from nothing to some user specifyed max teselation level as you get closer to the object

and you will note some 'cracks' in the moddels, there is a way to fix this, it should be far less notisable on most user models though (untill people start useing the facet build of PCS, wich they should) and this will _not_ fubar hard eged ships like the Ursa or the herc (well actualy the herc does get a little fubared, but it needs to be recompiles as it's normal data is screwy) it uses the normals of the polys on the ship to teselate new polys, so if the ships poly shadeing is fairly flat the resulting teselated surface should also be flat
« Last Edit: November 24, 2003, 06:38:17 pm by 57 »
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Offline Drew

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Originally posted by Turnsky
EDIT: Bobb... nice job there, and people, 9000's DO support truform... trust me on that ;)

i dont see anything different here :(
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Offline Turnsky

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Originally posted by Drew

i dont see anything different here :(


try running the HT&L..
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Offline Bobboau

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just out of curiosity, has anyone managed to get it working in game yet, I havn't, I think there is a driver issue at work here
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Offline Ulala

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Offline Bobboau

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you know all I realy had to do for this was equivilent to
make_ships_look_cool = true;
I don't think this is gona make it in any time soon though, it seems this feature is broken at the moment, it is a very interesting technology though
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Offline Turnsky

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Originally posted by Bobboau
just out of curiosity, has anyone managed to get it working in game yet, I havn't, I think there is a driver issue at work here




it works. but isn't perfect as you can see here...
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Offline Bobboau

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hmm, is that a giant crack or... what?

what's you system, more importantly what version drivers are you useing?

I am getting extreemly random crashes, realy nasty ones too

and what kind of frame rate are you getting compared to normal htl mode?
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Offline Turnsky

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Originally posted by Bobboau
hmm, is that a giant crack or... what?

what's you system, more importantly what version drivers are you useing?

I am getting extreemly random crashes, realy nasty ones too

and what kind of frame rate are you getting compared to normal htl mode?


giant cracks..

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it runs as smooth as butter, there isn't a noticeable difference really..

i'm guessing that specular is not included in the HT&L either..
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in case of emergency, administer caffeine to the artist,
he will become docile after that,
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Offline Bobboau

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specular should still be there, look at the other screen shots, in fact that's one of the biggest advantages to this, that specular lighting is almost perfict, rather than poorly aproximated

that is a very similar set up as me (exept I have 9800)
narg! I want to play with it too!
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Offline Turnsky

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Originally posted by Bobboau
specular should still be there, look at the other screen shots, in fact that's one of the biggest advantages to this, that specular lighting is almost perfict, rather than poorly aproximated

that is a very similar set up as me (exept I have 9800)
narg! I want to play with it too!


that's odd, specular don't work with mine :(
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Offline Lightspeed

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Originally posted by Bobboau
specular should still be there, look at the other screen shots, in fact that's one of the biggest advantages to this, that specular lighting is almost perfict, rather than poorly aproximated

that is a very similar set up as me (exept I have 9800)
narg! I want to play with it too!


must be our 9800-cards. mine does not want to work in-game either :nervous:

Shows the first frame, then crashes.
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Offline Drew

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Originally posted by Turnsky


that's odd, specular don't work with mine :(

same here. and we have the same card....
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To post the inevitable "Come and go stranger" question here: Does anyone think it might in the future be possible for us to implement a version of truform native to the FS2 engine? Like, apply some appropriate tesselation or interpolation between detail levels that maximizes the polycount of ships on screen as much as possible w/o dropping the FPS below 30 or so?