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Yes, there is a reason she's called a Battlestar!:eek: :eek:
*boom* *boom boom* Heheh!

And for those who want to see the whole thing all at once, SciFi is re-airing it Sunday at 6:00p.m. eastern.
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Piracy is acceptable when the series is old'n'dead, fledgeling and needs support, not (yet) aired in your country or native tongue.

Like how no-one would care if you pirate episodes of BlackAdder or Firefly.


First off, I don't have a TV. At all. Don't feel like paying money each month for just owning a TV set, since most of what's on is crap. So whether it's been aired here or not,  I'll never know.

But anyway, what's the difference between downloading an episode and taping it off the TV? No exposure to the TV ads? If that's the case, why isn't TiVio (or whatever it's called) illegal?
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Ok, HELLS NO!

BIG SPOILER:



Yeah, that was a bit of a shock.
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Yeah that was a shocker.
So as through a glass, and darkly
The age long strife I see
Where I fought in many guises,
Many names, but always me.

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I didn't like the new series... It was boring IMHO...:doubt: Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series. But I guess it wasn't trying to. Everything just unfolded to damn slowly. And this whole invasion? What damn invasion? All of the colonial fleet get decimeated and all you see is TWO damn cylon ships duke it out with some vipers for a minute. I mean ugh...:ick: The original 1978 pilot episode was insanely action packed and you really had the sence that it was an invasion! But here... I dunno. It was just empty. But I've only seen the first part. lets see what happens in part 2...
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I didn't like the new series... It was boring IMHO...:doubt: Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series. But I guess it wasn't trying to. Everything just unfolded to damn slowly. And this whole invasion? What damn invasion? All of the colonial fleet get decimeated and all you see is TWO damn cylon ships duke it out with some vipers for a minute. I mean ugh...:ick: The original 1978 pilot episode was insanely action packed and you really had the sence that it was an invasion! But here... I dunno. It was just empty. But I've only seen the first part. lets see what happens in part 2...


I don't know, from a modern perspective you could say the original movie/pilot didn't have a ton of action since you just had Cylon fighters blasting the capships that were sitting around doing nothing.

The second part of the new miniseries shows the Galactica using flak weapons and such.

Overall though, the new miniseries due to the heavy US-military naval things feels more like what the Wing Commander movie should have. (Replace Cylons with Kilrathi and Galactica designs with WC1 ships)
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Overall though, the new miniseries due to the heavy US-military naval things feels more like what the Wing Commander movie should have. (Replace Cylons with Kilrathi and Galactica designs with WC1 ships)


You have good point there. I instantly started feeling like this was eerily reminicent of Wing Commander.

And I understand what you mean by a bunch of Cylons taking out battlestars that weren't really doing anything. The old series did have its faults. And quite a few of them. :D But it kept the pace going, it didn't bore you, it introduced the characters and went straight to the point. That cylons did not want peace with humans. So they attack at the colonies moment of weakness. They fake a peace treaty, and then attack. A bit on the lines of a Pearl Harbor raid. Quick and sudden, so you don't know what will happen next. Then a big furious dogfight scene (albeit alot of reused footage but still keeping with the tempo). After that you have a breather, the viewer has gone thru all that with the characters and wants to know what happens next. Not to mention a good dollup of noisy sound effects and music.

All of that was literaly non existent in the new version. Yes, they put alot into character development. But they put almost too much. And it stretched on and on. With monotonous dialogue and non-emotional closeups. Really, with all this promise of a big invasion, all you see is a shot straight ripped out of Terminator 3. Then with the space battles, you got no sounds, just vipers that are highpowered pea-shooters with perhaps some percussion music while you see a couple of poorly shot (and what shocked me was that these shots were done purposefully like that) space scenes. And then when the ships explode. All you hear is a pff. No KABOOM and ****load of flames and debris. (I know the scientificly correct people out there will go "Hey theres no sound in space, and little flames. Cut your yappin. Its realistic." But when you're making a movie, rarely do people really care if its scientifically true or not. It has to be entertaining. And sound and eye candy do that. Look at the original Star Wars battle of ROTJ. Now take all the flames away, take the music away. Add a few drums. And take all the sound effects away. You'll see what I mean.)

I just think it was poorly executed. Way too long beggining. Virtually no action. And when there is action, way too spread out to keep it at all interesting. Dull dialogue, way too ambient music, and no, UMPF. Another good example on where they did it right was Space above and Beyond. Now THAT had an excelent pilot episode. I was really hoping that the long wait would have a long pay off with the invasion. But there wasn't any. Just constant reports.
"Sir, the cylons are attacking."
"Confirm it."
20 mins later.
"Sir, the cylons have nuked the colonies."
"oh."
20 mins later.
"Sir the cylons have destroyed half the fleet."
"Oh. I guess I'm in charge."
20 mins later.
"Sir, there are two cylon ships imbound."
"Oh. Send out an entire squadron."
10 mins later.
"Sir, we got a nuke heading our way."
"Oh. Brace for impact."

Yeee....:doubt:

Now for the changes they made. I suprisingly have no real problem with that. Starbuck being a woman, I don't see as a problem. I actually though, "hey cool." Tho she aint the hottest actress around. Boomer being a woman was perhaps a bit annoying. Not the fact that she was a woman, just the fact that I didn't see the reason for her to be one, since the gimmick was used on Starbuck. After these two changes, I was slightly afraid when Appollo came aboard. I was either expecting; Another Woman, another woman who in fact is a transvestite, or a gay man. Cause it seemed like they were trying to make it for as wide an audience as possible. But anyway, the new cylons looked cool. La femme Fatale #6 was quite a pointless idea (though having her brake that baby's neck was a nice if not odd touch). Making Baltar innocent took away some of that good ol' bad guy charm he had in the old series.

Oh well. This is just my oppinion, from a guy who expected a alot more than what he got....
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I was really hoping that the long wait would have a long pay off with the invasion. But there wasn't any. Just constant reports.
"Sir, the cylons are attacking."
"Confirm it."
20 mins later.
"Sir, the cylons have nuked the colonies."
"oh."
20 mins later.
"Sir the cylons have destroyed half the fleet."
"Oh. I guess I'm in charge."
20 mins later.
"Sir, there are two cylon ships imbound."
"Oh. Send out an entire squadron."
10 mins later.
"Sir, we got a nuke heading our way."
"Oh. Brace for impact."


Okay, what are you gonna do.  You're on board a ship with no firepower and very few fighters, she was being decommisioned for crying out loud.
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Wait....Right now some horror movie is on...The "mini-series" was only two episodes...please tell me I'm wrong...

 
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my gf said that more were coming, just dont know when.... for now i guess they were testing the waters for veiwer response, but i think there gonna show more, just intime for the new season coming next feb...

 

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Okay, what are you gonna do.  You're on board a ship with no firepower and very few fighters, she was being decommisioned for crying out loud.


Well it could have been done a bit better. IE, actually show some clips of the big invasion with the fleet getting destroyed. Or atleast make the reports a bit more livelier with some sort of montage or something. Maybe add a bit more engrossing music!

Anyway, I watched part 2. Hmmm. Well, it was a tad better. I have to admit tho, that this series has almost nothing in common anymore with the old one. So I'm wondering why they're using its name. Maybe if they would have renamed it and jazzed it up a bit, I would maybe like it. BUT, since this was a Pilot for a series, I'm going to give the actually future episodes a shot. Maybe with a 45min time constraint they can make the story flow faster and actually bump up the pace to keep it interesting. So, all isn't lost yet.
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Well, I think that if it were an original series, the new BSG would be great. But, since it is going off the old one there is something to live up to. And in that sense they are not doing so well. As Dark 4rce pointed out, the action is totally dummed down, and they have "modernized" it by adding all the "necessary" sex.:ick But, for the show, it does bring a new twist to the series by upgrading the cylons, their basestars, fighters, and making the cylon/human lookalikes. Good show everyone.;7
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Somehow it just didn't capture the essence of the old series.


It didn't capture kitchiness?
Darn!
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What, no half baked excuse to send the cast into modern day / past Earth (as seen in every Star Trek series)?

 
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:mad: is it just me, or did everyone get only two episodes so far. Wish they would play a show every night, at a regular time.
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It didn't capture kitchiness?
Darn!


Yes, that. But most importantly, they didn't keep up with the tempo or the urgency of it all. Right now, I don't really care if the characters die or not. But, if the continue with a series, then I'll watch a few episodes, see if they've sped it up a bit. The new BSG is just WAY too BORING.
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First of all I AM the bigest BSG fanboy so I am biased...

  If you never saw the original read this paragraph:
   Though the action scenes are few and far between the rest of the story is decent. The writer basicly scrapped the original story except for two elements (humans & cylons at war). Plus he ripped off all the original names of the characters regardless of gender or even ethnicity, but that doesn't matter, as teh new actors do thier characters a good showing, and some even look like this is gonna be good! I love how the new tech gets F-ed over by the cylons and now this floating "museum" is the only hope of the remaining 50,000 humans in the galaxy. They wanted to get the opera out of space opera (which is silly cause that's what it was desgined for people!), but it sorta works. It's main weak point is that it rips off the original but it's strong points are that the special effects are top notch, the acting is string, and it's ONLY a mini-series so it will be over soon! The new fighters adn teh old look of the Galactica is cool but we need MORE ACTION! especially from teh base Stars...
My overall score out of 10 is a 7-8 I like it a lot.

   This is for fans of the original show:  Because I loved BSG so much the new writer really upset me from his attitude in the interview (BSG the Low down) He may not realise it but he basicly poo pooed teh original and said, "this is what I thought BSG should be" and basicly said though he hoped fans would like the new one he didn't care. (In fact I don't think he even knows anything about the show besides the opening movie, because he didn't come across very well asbeing very knowledgible about BSG at all! Even some of teh actors in their interviews seemed confused about the cylons.) I would have enjoyed it more if I had never heard of BSG before and knew nothing of the original or the original actors, or of Richard Hatch's bid to do the contunuing story he wrote for teh 20 years annerverasry with the full support of those surviving cast members!!!! I signed the petition last year in support of him! Least they can do is release the rights and green light his story Galactica 20 yarhens later (the Second Comming)! Has anyone seen the trailer at a con? If they could have done the mini-series ove I would have one wish. To make everyone involved watch every episode of the original series (not that crap galactica 80, all the senseless earth garbage!), so they can unserstand the history of the story plus get into the character's heads.

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  Adama was good, Apollo so far was empty (I have only seen episode1), starbuck has potential, Baltar is a whinny sissy (someone PLEASE shoot him in the head full clip?), the rest - so far- I don't care for... Maybe part two will pick up, plus although the short fights are ok I wanna see the Big G and the Base Stars go toe to toe like the Pegasus did with two of them in the Original! Episodes called "The living Legend part I & II" starring Commander Cain (Sheba's Father)... Forgot the actor but he was teh head controller on teh movie "Airplane!" lol...

"I picked the wrong week to stop killing cylons!"

   To clear up any confusion. The cylons were created by a race called the Cylons. They were reptilian humanoids and created a machine army to be slaves and protect their empire. The Machines rebelled and destryoed almost all the original species and took the name Cylons for themselves as an identity. The Cylon Imperious leader appears to be the only , or one of teh only origina cylons left as he is over 1000 years old. and in actuality is teh entity known as Count Eblis (the BSG version of Q but totally evil and more limited)...

   The humans and Cylons were at war for almost 1000 years till Baltar arranged for an armistice to be signed by both races at Cimtar on the Cylon border. The stipulation was that all 12 Battlestars attend the "peace Signing". cimtar is far from the 12 colony worlds (named after our astrological constellations: Virgo, Picsis, Taurus, Capricorn ect..).

   basically it's an ambush and 1000 fighters (and the two huge tankers that refuled them in the cimtar nebula) tie up colonial forces long enough for all their Base Stars to decimate teh colony worlds... Oh and Baltar flees...

Galactica survies ONlY cause Adama takes the intiative and breaks ranks to go to Caprica's defense but they are too late, and a legend is born...

If you never saw the movie or any of the series I implore you to do so as it is "space Opera" at it's finiest and deservedly should take it's place in the public's perception of sci-fi greatness right along side Star Trek and Star wars, B5 ect...

Oh yeh in case you didn't know there WAS a Wing Commander movie made a fe years ago. If you want to learn how to F -up a movie but still get your point across that is how to do it. I mean they had the ORIGINAL STORY, and all the major characters, (even if they used Freddy Prince Jr instead of LUKE who MADE THAT ROLE FIRST!) he he, bt my two main bithces were the Kilrathi looked sick and pathetic, adn the Confeds only had two types of fighters and they both sucked and looked like WWII corsairs with rockets mounted on teh back!! Were are the WC1,1,3,4, or even 5 ships? they had like over 20 fighter designes they could have used that were cannon and looked just as cool as any other sci-fi show you ever saw. Basicly I was rooting for the Kilrathi cause I'd shoot anyone flying those pieces of garbage out of simpathy! :nod:  The WORST part of it was they did the kilrathi ships right on though???
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Take a breath.  Count to 10.  And CALM DOWN!

The writer said if you were a fanboi of the original you wouldn't like the new version.  You only have yourself to blame.

As far as the WC movie;  They were tasked with taking a 5 part, 70 hour+ game series and condense it down to 2 hours AND make accessible to Joe Blow on the street who have NEVER played a WC game nor probably even heard of it before they saw an advertisement.  Could it have been done better?  Sure.  But it was pretty good all the same.
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I liked the fighters in the WC movie.  Still a pish movie, though.