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Offline Setekh

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Well said Mik, I get regular BBC here in England (duh) and it's every bit as useless as the papers. However on a holiday out in Portugal I took time out to watch some of the BBC Worldwide broadcasts - and learn't a hell of a lot more than I have before from standard BBC piped out in the UK only.

Irritating that "useful" news is broken down to the masses here...


Yeah, sometimes Australia gets simulcasts of BBC (both local and worldwide editions) when big stuff is happening in the world (like 9/11) - BBC Worldwide owns the local version silly. Hurrah for censorship. :doubt:
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Offline Stryke 9

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Heh, like either side is some kinda saintly group of innocents.

Like it even matters, really. Iraqis and "Coalition" soldiers seem to be killing each other pretty indiscriminately these days, and both sides have done naughty things which in some ideal world aren't perfectly ordinary in a wartime situation. Truth is, our soldiers, being soldiers, are way too trigger-happy, and that anyone who's standing around throwing **** (grenades, rocks, whatever) at a bunch of trained killers carrying automatic weapons but doesn't make damn sure whatever they're throwing kills 'em on impact gets what's coming to them. There are a looot of stupid resistance fighters in that area, but using actual weaponry on soldiers in an open space, which would guarantee return fire, and not taking the five seconds required to make sure you're actually doing something strikes me as too dumb to be at all likely.

If he was throwing rocks, like all the protestors say, well, he's a moron, but at least one can kinda see how he wouldn't necessarily expect what came next, and hence not head for cover instantly or have an escape plan. As he got killed instantly, and didn't actually hurt anybody or even apparently come close (which the news services would certainly have reported on- they practically call it a guerilla attack every time somebody calls a policeman a nasty name out there right now), seems that that wasn't the case.
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Offline karajorma

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Evidently no one in the crowd was aware of Niven's first two laws.

1) Never throw **** at an armed man

2) Never stand next to someone throwing **** at an armed man.

Whether it was rocks or grenades it was pretty damn stupid.
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Yeah, throwning **** at people who invaded you country and bombed the crap outta all your infastructure, as well as practically nation-ciding your people 10 years previous, is a really stupid thing to do. :doubt:
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The reason isn't ****. Doing it when they are likely to fire back at you for doing it isn't at all clever. If you really have a problem try fighting with proper weapons.
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Offline aldo_14

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Or just sit on the road.  No military is insane enough (well, maybe China) to drive an APC over protesters.

Not to mention no stone-based infantry has won a battle since...ooh...er..ever?

 

Offline diamondgeezer

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At the end of the day, I throw a grenade or even a ****ing rock at a probably nervous guy with a gun, I should expect to be going home in a London ambulance

 

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You're optimistic :p
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No, you should expect them to show some ****ing restraint. Considering the armed forces are there to risk their lives in defence of the people.

If a few rocks being thrown at your helmeted ass is enough to make you trigger-happy then you shouldn't be in the army in the first place.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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So what when he starts throwing hand grenades?

Wait, you don't think he was throwing grenades, do you? On the strength of the testimony of a bunch of his mates.
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Offline Nico

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No, you should expect them to show some ****ing restraint. Considering the armed forces are there to risk their lives in defence of the people.

If a few rocks being thrown at your helmeted ass is enough to make you trigger-happy then you shouldn't be in the army in the first place.


That sounds funny.
You're here to protect us, so let us stone you calmly, m'k? :D
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I'm more inclined to believe a man riddled with bullets than I am a man who could be spending the next 5 years in prison if he actually did shoot someone for no reason.
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That sounds funny.
You're here to protect us, so let us stone you calmly, m'k? :D
Don't delude yourself. They weren't there to protect them, they were there to shoot them if they started trying to rally people against the Coalition Troops.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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So protesters accuse occupying troops of an act of brutality. Do you also belive the story of every girl who cries rape without any more evidence than a BBC news report?

If you're going to accuse British troops of murdering civilians for speaking out of line you better have some damn good facts to back it up

 

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Hows about the fact that they've been proven time and time again to be killing civillians?

Everytime they see a car zooming along the street they chase it down and kill everyone inside.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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OK, now you're doing a Stryke and just spouting random bull****. I'm going to bed (early morning shift tomorrow)

 

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They learned that from a certain nation not too far (a wee bit) from Iraq.
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So protesters accuse occupying troops of an act of brutality. Do you also belive the story of every girl who cries rape without any more evidence than a BBC news report?
Do you believe it every time someone tells you the Nazi's were comitting atrocities?

Of course you do.

And why is that?

Because they ****ing were.
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Offline diamondgeezer

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According to history, the German army regularly crucified soldiers in Belgium during WWI. Research has proven this to be an urban legend stemming from one unconfirmed incident. But in 1919, Britain was still obssesed with the supposed horrific actions of German soldiers.

Anyway. What and where is your evidence that British soldiers regularly murder civilians without provocation? Why exactly are you saying this? Because you read reports of troops firing on protestors or the drivers or technicals ramming tanks?

 

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The fact that like 20 times there's been reports of British and American troops killing, most notably, Iraqi police.
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