[pasti]

meh...

R-37
range over 350 km
speed 4 mach
used as primary missile for Mig-31M
semi-active/active...

[Woolie Wool]

Originally posted by Unknown Target
Ok, how about allow Rockeye's to hit friendlies? After all, if they're heat-seeking, and you spam a bunch off, there should be a chance that they'd go for other targets, not just the one you're locked onto.

NO NO NO!

Besides, they don't always go after your current target. They will go after the nearest hostile ship.

[phreak]

Right.  About them Semi-Active missiles i had planned.  Thats going after 3.6 (as with everything else).  Maybe a better term would be laser guided.  I don't see the GTVA using 1940s technology in 2360 and beyond.

i meant to do that.

[Zarax]

Laser guided is about 5 years younger than semiactive tracking :-)
You'd better call them semi-active tracking missile than referring to existing technologies, since even the latest ones have been invented in the 70s...
It would be cool especially for capships, so that if you destroy the sensor subsystem or jam it with an awacs the missiles wouldn't be able to track anything...
It would be hard to balance such a kind of missile, but if well done it would be a really useful feature...

[phreak]

Actually SARH missiles are 40's technology.  I've edited the original post to reflect this.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-4.html

Semi-active still sounds better.  But some purists will ***** and complain.

[Zarax]

Well, let the purists complain and find a better name if they can...
BTW, if you want to make the feature interesting require that the target must remain in the fighter's FOV, but as balancing effect the missile will never lose the tracking as long as it's guided...
Kinda useful against 3 axis Shivans and head on attacks.

[diamondgeezer]

Originally posted by Zarax
You are surely talking about AIM9...

Course I am. Why? What did I say? Oh. Um... *runs*

[Goober5000]

I have found the cause.

Weapons.cpp, lines 2417-2420...

Code: [Select]

// AL 2-17-98: If ship is immune to sensors, can't home on it (Sandeep says so)!
if ( Ships[objp->instance].flags & SF_HIDDEN_FROM_SENSORS ) {
continue;
}So, unfortunately, it looks like I can't help you, because Sandeep said so.  Looks like I'll just have to make stealth invisible to heatseekers too.

[Bobboau]

so your going to have to call him up and get him to aprove it

[Zarax]

Are we forced to stick with what [V] programmers said even if it may result in a less playable game?
Let's make it optional and everyone will be happy IMHO.

[Taristin]

...Who the hell is sandeep, and why do we care what he says? He was probably just a lazy bugger...

Not that I know the slightest about coding... I only took a "principles of coding" class, and it bored the hell out of me. (I was surfing these forums while she spoke...)

[Bobboau]

Sandeep Shekar (probly misspelled that, but what else is new) was one of the big V gods, he is a major high level planner and programmer.

and we can't make every line of code in the game optional it simply isn't practical

[Zarax]

Well, if we can build a new game setting interface most things will become more pratical...
A rework on RT Launcher will do IMHO

[Goober5000]

I was being facetious. There are several possibilities here...

1) Sandeep truly intended for heat-seekers not to home in on hidden ships.  But this seems counterintuitive.
2) Sandeep might have said "Missiles shouldn't home in on hidden ships", meaning aspect seekers (since they can't lock), and it was misapplied to heat-seekers too.
3) This was during FS1 development, not FS2, so they didn't need to wonder about stealth.  Since they didn't apply it to stealth, maybe they forgot, or maybe they intended that heat-seekers should home in on stealth.  And I assume stealth is more powerful than hidden sensors (it seems obvious).
4) During the SOC mission where you look for Snipes, they specifically advise you to take heat-seekers to deal with sporadic targeting.

If there's a consensus that this should be changed, I'll change it.  It just needs to be commented out.

[phreak]

how about a weapons flag?

[diamondgeezer]

Well see here's the thing - Reci needs it. There are certain... ... hostiles... ... that are largely impossible to kill with lasers when they're flagged invisible. Without heatseekers the player has very little offensive capability...

I was going to suggest a weapons flag but that involves more than a simple commenting-out and the code freeze tends to put a crimp on that kind of thing...

[Woolie Wool]

Thank you for spoiling part of the player's initial encounters with the Nightmares.

[diamondgeezer]

Apologies to SCP team, I'm cussing rather a lot in your forum lately...

Don't apologies usually come after the infraction?

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Um, what the hell is going on with this post?

Editing.  And I'm glad to see you restarted your custom signatures.

[phreak]

tis OK. we like working with you.  I do at least.

[diamondgeezer]

Well... cheers for that. Still a bit confused about my previous post, mind