Author Topic: Gamespy and 3.6 (Read 6316 times)

Fractux · **Reply #20 on:** January 18, 2004, 05:17:21 pm

ANy packages I put together will always be available for download from the FTP i am hosting. There have been offers by some other people here to host the files as well, and once 3.6 comes out, this one will get released.

The version I submit to gamespy (if they are willing to host it, and after we make sure of all the terms they want to host it are clear and acceptable) will be the same one I have on the FTP, it'll just be one ~810MB file instead of being split up into ~25MB .bin chunks it is now for distribution on my FTP.

We can also then add the file to sharereactor's DB and host it on the eDonkey Network as well.

Cheers!

Johnmike · **Reply #21 on:** January 18, 2004, 06:31:48 pm

Good. I'm also kind of uneasy about the Gamespy thing. I'm afraid they'll try and turn it into cash. Just be absolutely sure you don't let them do a -thing- with the suscriber-only features or pay-for-service. x.x;

kasperl · **Reply #22 on:** January 19, 2004, 06:17:41 am

they can not, i repeat, can not make money from it. it would be illegal to make money from the source code. it says so in te license of the source code, ask a coder to dig it up.

KARMA · **Reply #23 on:** January 20, 2004, 05:00:35 am

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
SCP will always stay free. The gamespy thing will be an alternative download, never a replacement.

And once the multi code is properly done, i'm sure someone will set up a server. It doesn't really need to be good. Just needs to handle some chat and store the stats, so getting one is pretty easy.

who said it will be only a subscriber thing??
And the servers fo stats/chat may be crap, but the machine to run a dedicated server MUST be a good one....
And don't be ipocrit guys, gamespy WILL earn money from this thing, not much and not directly, but gamespy is not a non-profit company.
They will just offer a nice service to subscribers with some privileges (inside the gamespy network) above the others. Even when you download something from fileplanet, subscribers have some privileges. What should we do? move out HLP from Gamespy???
I think it would be in their interest to enrich this service (FSO full install) with some servers for their subscribers, at the same time it will be OUR interest to have some servers for the public.
It's a kind of barter.
What's wrong with this as soon as it remain clear who has control over the thing? Whatever Gamespy will do you will not be limited in what you can do.
And about the opportunity of having gamespy involved in scp, it has already been discussed elsewhere.

Kazan · **Reply #24 on:** January 20, 2004, 05:40:49 pm

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Originally posted by Lightspeed
When multi is finished.

is that all you're waiting for? i just need time to test and TESTERS

masterserver will be hosted by inquisitor

i will write a library for game spy to use to query the masterserver and make them credit me

HellToupee · **Reply #25 on:** January 21, 2004, 06:01:31 pm

Jetstream games would probly host it, if you have a decent link, the guy has a fileplanet account, you can request the file to be on the ftp. Be great for nzers because they can get full speed dsl to it

. Im pretty sure it lets people from overseas download off it, didnt used to.

it would show up on this
ftp://ftp2.jetstreamgames.co.nz

Flipside · **Reply #26 on:** January 21, 2004, 06:08:53 pm

Why is it you always find 138 Meg Map packs for UT2K3 days after you've deleted it because you haven't played it for ages?

No problem accessing it from here

A bit slow though....

Anyway...

Setekh · **Reply #27 on:** January 23, 2004, 08:20:06 pm

Welcome to HLP, HellToupee (interesting name, btw).

We already have an arrangement with GS, they will host and seriously promote our final product, but thanks for your kind offer - we may still take you up on that.

Unknown Target · **Reply #28 on:** January 23, 2004, 09:03:21 pm

Setekh, ur avatar's broken

Anyway, about GS: I'm more worried that they'll make the multiplayer servers (and hence our chance at SW) subscriber-only, or worse, make SW subscriber-only.

HellToupee · **Reply #29 on:** January 23, 2004, 09:23:05 pm

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Originally posted by Setekh
Welcome to HLP, HellToupee (interesting name, btw). We already have an arrangement with GS, they will host and seriously promote our final product, but thanks for your kind offer - we may still take you up on that.

Well its really just anotehr mirror to hose etc, for those that dont like havin to go through fileplanet, plus ild like it on it because ild get it in about 15minutes vs all day

DeepSpace9er · **Reply #30 on:** February 06, 2004, 10:21:19 pm

The thing about gamespy is that they CAN make it a subcriber only thing. Not saying that people become subscribers just to download that file. Its GS's bandwidth, they can choose who they want to give it to.

Important point: its not the files the subscribers are paying for, its the open bandwidth.

Gamespy=Gayspy

Kazan · **Reply #31 on:** February 07, 2004, 01:23:07 am

deepspace9er: actually they cannot - it is expressly illegal for them to do so

Setekh · **Reply #32 on:** February 07, 2004, 09:17:46 am

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Originally posted by Unknown Target
Setekh, ur avatar's broken

Anyway, about GS: I'm more worried that they'll make the multiplayer servers (and hence our chance at SW) subscriber-only, or worse, make SW subscriber-only.

I think your ISP is broken. If this forum is working, my avatar is working. Been like that for years.

Ummm, what multiplay servers?

Fractux · **Reply #33 on:** February 07, 2004, 09:22:02 am

With the interplay re-release, have we once again been plunged into hot water?? What a rollercoaster. :/

Fractux · **Reply #34 on:** February 07, 2004, 09:42:23 am

I just double checked HOTU and they removed their download version.

Now I wonder what to do. hmmm. Thoughts, suggestions?

Taristin · **Reply #35 on:** February 07, 2004, 10:02:10 am

...Heh, that's why Interplay is doing it... They've been counting DLs on HotU and now want to capitalize on it. Meh! They suck.

Kazan · **Reply #36 on:** February 07, 2004, 10:11:47 am

i missed UT's post

the multiplayer server code is my code - and i make it express illegal for gamespy to do so [(make it subscriber-only)], [however] GameSpy may be allowed to host a master server. If they attempt to make the master server subscriber only or attempt to modify the protocol i will seek immediate legal action against them.

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Inquisitor · **Reply #37 on:** February 09, 2004, 04:26:54 pm

1) Gamespy will do nothing of the sort. Apart from the fact that it would violate the SCP license to produce any commercial product with this codebase, they simply won;t be interested.

2) If Kazan has put code in that has limitations, that code should probably be removed, it's implied that all code in the SCP is under the same license as the SCP itself, if we have to make this explicit (and while i htink about it, it probably should be) then we will.

So basically, if you have integrated code into this project that is not freely distributeable and re=usable at least to the extent that the SCP itself is, it needs removed. If you put code in that varies from the terms of the original SCP license from Volition, that code needs clearly marked and the SCP members need to evaluate its inclusion. And you need to immediately give us the terms of any license outside the original SCP license (I am using SCP to mean the orighinal volition source release).

Projects like this cannot survive if limitations get placed on the code post implementation. I know you mean well by making hte above demand, but that statement that YOU will pursue legal adtion implies some pretty far reaching things. I beg you to reconsider that usage and post the terms under which your code can be used so we can make an informed decision on it's inclusion. Keep in mind that it cannot be a GPL release, as the SCP is not GPL to begin with. If you must release your code with conditions, I strongly recommend a license identical to the one Volition used to release the code. I prefer that the code added to the SCP be released as public domain without limitation.

Kazan · **Reply #38 on:** February 09, 2004, 05:16:56 pm

Inquisitor: the client code in the game is under the same license as the game, however the SERVER code is under what ever licensing terms I want.

Inquisitor · **Reply #39 on:** February 09, 2004, 06:16:45 pm

Then make it clear, and let us know what those terms are. You cannot integrate something and expect us to adopt it, then decide later that you have terms and conditions. It's not fair to everyone here. If we're integrating something that is restricted, we're not really any better off than having to rely on PXO.

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If you must release your code with conditions, I strongly recommend a license identical to the one Volition used to release the code. I prefer that the code added to the SCP be released as public domain without limitation.

The Volition license means that you can keep your own rights to sell it or whetever, and we're restricted to using it for non-commercial endeavors.

It disturbs me a little that I have to make this case to a supporter of open source software.

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