[Knight Templar]

What scares me the most is that I'm sure there'll be "fellowship" (read: trying to recruit me into Wednesday night youth group) before and afterward.

[Thorn]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
What scares me the most is that I'm sure there'll be "fellowship" (read: trying to recruit me into Wednesday night youth group) before and afterward.

Put a pentagram on a chain and wear it around your neck.

[Knight Templar]

I'd have a hard time explaining that to my parents, no matter how appealing.

[Thorn]

parents dont allow you to have your own beleifs?

[an0n]

Put a Star of David pendant on and call everyone who tries to speak to you "Buboula".

Then walk around muttering how you "like films where they get the bad-guy at the end".

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by Thorn
parents dont allow you to have your own beleifs?

Not if they embarass them, apparently.

an0n: Now that might work better.

[Stealth]

Originally posted by Knight Templar
What scares me the most is that I'm sure there'll be "fellowship" (read: trying to recruit me into Wednesday night youth group) before and afterward.

hahahahah

yeah or just yell out "HELL YEAH" every few minutes during the movie.  that would result in either everyone avoiding you, or your parents forcing you to join the Wednesday night youth group...

[mikhael]

Or, KT, if you really don't want to attend, just say so.

If the fellowship bits are what are putting you off, show up late, sit on the end of a row and leave when the credits roll. You don't have to be rude or confrontational dick like some people are suggesting.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Sandwich
Bah... Brutally realistic is different than gory just for the sake of it.

And notice that I realise the Passion's violence is the former, not the latter. That doesn't change the fact that I still don't want to watch it - it's because it's brutally realistic that I appreciate it, and abhor it (like we all should). I think Gibson had guts to include the realism there, but I still don't want to see that. Sorry.

[Stealth]

i know a lot of people that aren't seeing it for that very reason Setekh.  it's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Setekh]

Cheers. On the topic, I'm a bit interested about the embellishments Gibson has allegedly put in which have little basis in any text, canonical or not - like, his creative licence on the casting out of demons and the spiritual battle that goes on. Has anyone seen it? I'm curious as to what is actually shown in scenes like that.

[AlGore]

I saw it tonight, and I didn't think it was too overtly gory. I'm not saying that it wasn't, I'm just saying that's probably what would have happened. The closest thing I can relate it to is the gore in the movies Event Horizon and Final Destination 2. Gory, but not so much that it made me want to leave. Lot's of blood though.

And as for the creative license that Setekh mentioned, almost all of it was used in relation to Satan. So pretty much if you saw Satan on screen, you saw something that wasn't recorded.
I heard someone say something about the Simon of Cyrene part wasn't completely true either, but whatever.

[Setekh]

Satan on screen? Well, I suppose there's the part where he 'entered Judas', but I really ought to watch it so I can know what/how it's actually portrayed.

What happened with Simon of C?

[Goober5000]

Seen it. And what can I say, but wow. Good, heavy, thought-provoking stuff there.

The extra stuff Gibson put in fell mainly into two categories: Satan hanging around nearby looking menacing, and Jesus's friends and family following him looking concerned.  The former makes sense from a spiritual standpoint but isn't so prevalent that it takes attention away from the main story.  The latter seems to be a valid extrapolation of what probably did happen but was only briefly mentioned in the Gospel accounts.

As for Simon, he has a few lines of dialogue along the lines of protesting the treatment of Jesus or offering him encouragement.

[Setekh]

Cool. I do actually want to see it quite a lot - I wonder how many months it'll take for the DVD to come out. How long is it, btw?

[Goober5000]

Two hours, five minutes.

And Setekh, I really wouldn't recommend skipping through any of it.  Avert your eyes if you must, but remember that Jesus couldn't skip through it. I think it's worth a little discomfort to appreciate the magnitude of what he had to go through.

[Knight Templar]

Originally posted by mikhael
Or, KT, if you really don't want to attend, just say so.

If the fellowship bits are what are putting you off, show up late, sit on the end of a row and leave when the credits roll. You don't have to be rude or confrontational dick like some people are suggesting.

- I do sort of want to see the movie so yeah. But they'd make me go anyway. They beleive "children should repsect their parents' religon while they live under their roof" which translates to "I have to go with them because my mom wants me there (and at church) because it only feels good to her if we're there as a family."

- It's hard to show up late and sit somewhere else when they are my ride and association with the place. Although I know entirely what you mean, and usually by sticking to myself, I'm fine. It's the assholes who repeatedly badger me every week about the same BS and make part of the mission to see me out and try to sway me into this or that function that piss me off.

Setekh: You need to come stay in America for a while. We'll get you desensitized to violence right proper n' quick.

[Setekh]

Originally posted by Goober5000
Two hours, five minutes.

And Setekh, I really wouldn't recommend skipping through any of it.  Avert your eyes if you must, but remember that Jesus couldn't skip through it. I think it's worth a little discomfort to appreciate the magnitude of what he had to go through.

Not too long, then. Thanks for the advice, Goob - but I'm still not sure. It's not like I have to exactly watch it to appreciate its magnitude (something I set about thinking through many a year ago), and now that I think about, I think it's because I already appreciate the magnitude that I don't want to watch it. Besides that, I don't think the real magnitude of his suffering can be seen by looking at him - the real suffering was invisible. But I digress.

Yeah, KT... I'm still wondering whether or not that's a good thing.

[HotSnoJ]

Originally posted by Knight Templar


- I do sort of want to see the movie so yeah. But they'd make me go anyway. They beleive "children should repsect their parents' religon while they live under their roof" which translates to "I have to go with them because my mom wants me there (and at church) because it only feels good to her if we're there as a family."

Well number 1, kids are like gardens. If you don't take care of them they go bad.

Originally posted by Knight Templar

- It's hard to show up late and sit somewhere else when they are my ride and association with the place. Although I know entirely what you mean, and usually by sticking to myself, I'm fine. It's the assholes who repeatedly badger me every week about the same BS and make part of the mission to see me out and try to sway me into this or that function that piss me off.

If you're talking about the "everyone should be doing missions stuff" I wholehearted agree. It ticks me off too.

Originally posted by Knight Templar

Setekh: You need to come stay in America for a while. We'll get you desensitized to violence right proper n' quick.

Come to Minnesota!!! WE got snow here half the year!!

[Sandwich]

Originally posted by Setekh
It's not like I have to exactly watch it to appreciate its magnitude (something I set about thinking through many a year ago), and now that I think about, I think it's because I already appreciate the magnitude that I don't want to watch it.

You know, that could be a quote from the conversation I had with my mom over dinner tonight when the subject came up.