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what should the defalt FSO ambient light be

FS2 origonal level
16 (40%)
completely turned off by defalt
24 (60%)

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Voting closed: March 05, 2004, 08:24:34 am

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Offline Bobboau

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well, we have to mantain backward compatablility with the origonal data, if only so we have a controle data that we know everyone has

I disagree with the have everything off by defalt pollicy myself
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Offline Setekh

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Well, how about, an enhanced FS2 campaign being the one that is opened up by default, with a 'classic FS2 campaign' available for the people who want to see what it was like before. That way you won't have the issue of newbies opening it up and saying "this is just like what it was before... this is pants", but additionally the people who want it as it was before have the option to go to back to it just like switching a campaign.

Ironically, this was inspired to me by your comment on Windows, Venom. :p This is the way they have the GUI set up in Windows XP - the shiny new one by default, but you can switch back to the old look and the old start menu with a few clicks, no trouble at all for the... purists. ;)
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Offline RandomTiger

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Originally posted by Nico

last game I bought didn't need me to learn a whole list of commands to add after typing the exe ( you can, but usually, the tags are, guess what? -nosomething, -nothatotherthing ). Besides, have you bought a game recently? Coz yeah I did, half of them are set on full by default, the other half launches an autodetect hardware prog.


The last game you *bought* was made by a professional company with payed staff. While thats a good standard to aim for you *have* to except that our project by its nature has its limitations.

I have implemented easy setup in the launcher to try and meet your concerns. If you have any suggestions to help make the launcher more useful and user friendly then Im certainly listening.

Pehaps the launcher should be more visual to give you an idea of what you are choosing.

Heres a few reasons we use command line flags:

1. It would take a fair bit of effort to have a ingame selection screen, it would be a pain to have to update it every time something changes and would require new art which in itself would cause back compatibility issues.

2. To fix problems its really good to have a tester able to say my options on are "-whatever -whatever" rather than users having to describe the feature in their own words. So it really does help with idenfying problems and solutions easily.

3. Time spent on *any* other solution would take time away from bug fixing and feature developement.

4. I would hope that anyone who owns FS2 and still wants to play or is willing to download it of abandonware or pay an excessive amount to get one of the limited copies is intelligent and patient enough to tick a few boxes and read a few small explanations.

If you want an autodetect feature (which would be great) why dont you stop complaining go off an do something about it? Do research, surveys and polls to gather the satistics we would need to make such a feature.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 07:21:32 am by 848 »

 

Offline Nico

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Originally posted by RandomTiger


The last game you *bought* was made by a professional company with payed staff. While thats a good standard to aim for you *have* to except that our project by its nature has its limitations.



What? I'm just saying that nowadays the options are turned on by default :wtf:

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I have implemented easy setup in the launcher to try and meet your concerns. If you have any suggestions to help make the launcher more useful and user friendly then Im certainly listening.

I've nothing to complain about the launcher for now, I think yu get the wrong idea about me :p

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Pehaps the launcher should be more visual to give you an idea of what you are choosing.

that said, to be honest, I think all those graphical options should be... in the graphical options tab in FS :p
then again:

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Heres a few reasons we use command line flags:

1. It would take a fair bit of effort to have a ingame selection screen, it would be a pain to have to update it every time something changes and would require new art which in itself would cause back compatibility issues.

2. To fix problems its really good to have a tester able to say my options on are "-whatever -whatever" rather than users having to describe the feature in their own words. So it really does help with idenfying problems and solutions easily.

3. Time spent on *any* other solution would take time away from bug fixing and feature developement.

4. I would hope that anyone who owns FS2 and still wants to play or is willing to download it of abandonware or pay an excessive amount to get one of the limited copies is intelligent and patient enough to tick a few boxes and read a few small explanations.


fair, fair, fair, fair, but then again, that's never been my concern :p
As for the SF2 owners thing: put bluntly, no. Moders tend to forget that usually, games are for gamers, not moders. Yeah, it's fun making mods and all, but isn't all that meant to be played by lambda players, still? To me, same applies to the SCP.

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If you want an autodetect feature (which would be great) why dont you stop complaining go off an do something about it? Do research, surveys and polls to gather the satistics we would need to make such a feature.

Rah, I don't, who really needs that? Was just what I saw in the latest videogames I bought, since you asked me. You're drawing too many conclusions from what I say :p

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Sometimes I feel its all want want want from some people, then when you need help testing or with anything else where are they then?


I don't want anything, excepted that what's ALREADY done is turned on, coz after all, the point of something coded is to be used?
I don't think THAT was such a crazy request so I'm regarded as being a complete ass just for asking :blah: ( I suppose idiotic is stronger in english than in french, coz seems that post triggered it all :doubt: )

Ah well.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 07:30:48 am by 83 »
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Offline RandomTiger

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Load launcher(4.2):Flags:Select "All features on" in easy setup.

Isnt that easy enough? If not perhaps it could be on the front screen. Launcher:Features:All on.

The launcher can always be improved, I have no doupts about that. Its the first thing a new user sees of fs2_open so its an ideal place to perfect the issues that are raised.

I guess changing 'flags' to 'features' would help. For now at least our policy is off by default and I would ask you to respect and work with that.

On a sidenote I've just ran Deus Ex 2, just about everything was at minimum and theres no autodetect. I turned up all the features and then had to turn them all down again because they were too slow. Make of that what you will.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 08:22:54 am by 848 »

 

Offline KARMA

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just let the modders release the exe with the config they think is better for their camp.
Maybe a config.txt or something like that, so they don't have to release an exe but only an external configuration file, which will configure the exe with the options that they think will make their camp look better or that will be needed (for example, FOV setting for SW conversion)

 
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btw, RT, when i set flags for FSO, and click the thingy for "use these flags when running fso directly" FS retail will use them too, and won't start properly (it hangs my system )

i'm using 4.0, is this a bug, a faulty feature, has it been fixed?
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Offline RandomTiger

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kasperl: Is it in Mantis? Im going to start ignoring most problems that are reported outside Mantis.

The only way to fix that problem is change the file it saves and fs2_open looks to. I will have a think about that, bit of a backcompatibility issue.

KARMA: In the short term you can give them a config file to copy over the existing one (cmdline.cfg in data dir).

Perhaps when you select a mod in the launcher it could take a config file in the mod dir and up that to setup the launcher options.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 10:05:56 am by 848 »

 

Offline KARMA

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Originally posted by RandomTiger

Perhaps when you select a mod in the launcher it could take a config file in the mod dir and up that to setup the launcher options.

I was thinking exactly at something like this, mod specific

 

Offline RandomTiger

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It would be a one time only thing though (each time they select the MOD). Afterwards they would be free to add remove flags.

If thats OK then I'll put it on my todo list.

Edit: Hmmm, I think this might be flawed, depends on people using the launcher too much.
« Last Edit: March 06, 2004, 10:17:32 am by 848 »

 
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Originally posted by RandomTiger
kasperl: Is it in Mantis? Im going to start ignoring most problems that are reported outside Mantis.

The only way to fix that problem is change the file it saves and fs2_open looks to. I will have a think about that, bit of a backcompatibility issue.

KARMA: In the short term you can give them a config file to copy over the existing one (cmdline.cfg in data dir).

Perhaps when you select a mod in the launcher it could take a config file in the mod dir and up that to setup the launcher options.

not in Mantis yet, because i wasn't sure if it was a real bug.

and that solution would be awesome.

should i put it in Mantis still, or is it something you'll need to discuss with other's first?
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Offline RandomTiger

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No, Im aware of the problem but no-one has brought it up before.
Put it in mantis.

I just need to change the filename but it means if someones build and launcher are out of sync version wise it will not opperate correctly. I might have to have an overlap period were it saves to both files.

 

Offline Goober5000

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Just change everything it once - less hassle that way.  Everything is fluid right now and the latest build we "officially" support is 3.5.5, so don't worry about breaking stuff temporarily.

 

Offline Lynx

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Allow ambiemt light to be inserted via FRED, but let it turned out by default. I was happy as hell when ambient light got removed.
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Offline Nico

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Originally posted by RandomTiger
Load launcher(4.2):Flags:Select "All features on" in easy setup.

Isnt that easy enough? If not perhaps it could be on the front screen. Launcher:Features:All on.

The launcher can always be improved, I have no doupts about that. Its the first thing a new user sees of fs2_open so its an ideal place to perfect the issues that are raised.

I guess changing 'flags' to 'features' would help. For now at least our policy is off by default and I would ask you to respect and work with that.

On a sidenote I've just ran Deus Ex 2, just about everything was at minimum and theres no autodetect. I turned up all the features and then had to turn them all down again because they were too slow. Make of that what you will.


For now, I can't use it at all, fs2 won't run on my PC ( to my greatest despair, should I add ). Seems to run fine on my new laptp tho, so maybe I'll have some luck there.

As for deus ex, it's just an exemple, an exemple proves nothing. I don't have a list in mind, but at least Thief 2 starts with everything to max ( save resolution, obviously ). And to prove my point, one game is enough :p
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Offline Bobboau

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FS2 won't run, or FSO won't run?
and if FSO how far do you get?
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Offline Setekh

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Moved to SCP. :)
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Offline Bobboau

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why?
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Offline Setekh

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Goober asked. :)
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Offline Lightspeed

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you have -ambient_factor so wth are you all complaining about? :rolleyes:
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